How do you handle the questions?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Again, Evan, why are you getting sidetracked with insulting other member's opinions. Just stay on topic and let the poster know why his opinion doesn't agree with your opinion, because that's all we're talking about here. Opinions, whether it be from noted Cobra experts like Ned or from a lowly pleb like me.

I don't know if you are a Lib, but this is spoken like a true lib.

I see...., my "opinions" insult others. I am not setting forth "opinions". See here is the difference....I am setting forth fact. You are blinded by this "replica" or "not a replica issue". Its irrelevant. The important fact is the Shelbys are genuine Cobras whether you want to call them replicas or not it matters not a wit. The World Registry deals very comprehensively and logically with this issue. I would recommend you read it if you have a Registry. It will hopefully remove your confusion on the issue of this replica conundrum you and others are having. Its really simple once you understand it. Ned is an expert on original cars but Ned can't change the facts or reality about the current Shelby Continuation cars being genuine Cobras/Shelby Cobras. Also if you are such a "pleb" (an admission) I would again urge you to educate yourself and read the World Registry on the issue. Really.

You have been given tremendously good analogies that you choose to pull apart with meaningless details that have no impact on the analogy itself. Of course there are differences in time, metallurgy, suppliers, employees, successor company etc...The analogies given were good ones. You refuse to open your eyes and prefer to "squint" to further see what you want to see.

While my "opinions" about the status of my Shelby you say insults others you seem perfectly content to sit there and say nothing about the personal insults hurled in my direction. That I guess this fair in your book. You also seem to have no problem or fail to see or acknowledge the fact that the "opinion" of these "others" is demeaning to the cars an entire class of people here own and take pride in. That is obviously fair in your book too. A typical lib double standard.

See I have a different book. It says don't let people distort the truth and facts and speak up for what's fair and right and do it factually and avoid personal invectives. If that hurts feelings ... tough nuts.

I am not a politically correct person. I tend to say it like it is.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I don't know if you are a Lib, but this is spoken like a true lib.

I see...., my "opinions" insult others. I am not setting forth "opinions". See here is the difference....I am setting forth fact. You are blinded by this "replica" or "not a replica issue". Its irrelevant. The important fact is the Shelbys are genuine Cobras whether you want to call them replicas or not it matters not a wit. The World Registry deals very comprehensively and logically with this issue. I would recommend you read it if you have a Registry. It will hopefully remove your confusion on the issue of this replica conundrum you and others are having. Its really simple once you understand it. Ned is an expert on original cars but Ned can't change the facts or reality about the current Shelby Continuation cars being genuine Cobras/Shelby Cobras. Also if you are such a "pleb" (an admission) I would again urge you to educate yourself and read the World Registry on the issue. Really.

You have been given tremendously good analogies that you choose to pull apart with meaningless details that have no impact on the analogy itself. Of course there are differences in time, metallurgy, suppliers, employees, successor company etc...The analogies given were good ones. You refuse to open your eyes and prefer to "squint" to further see what you want to see.

While my "opinions" about the status of my Shelby you say insults others you seem perfectly content to sit there and say nothing about the personal insults hurled in my direction. That I guess this fair in your book. You also seem to have no problem or fail to see or acknowledge the fact that the "opinion" of these "others" is demeaning to the cars an entire class of people here own and take pride in. That is obviously fair in your book too. A typical lib double standard.

See I have a different book. It says don't let people distort the truth and facts and speak up for what's fair and right and do it factually and avoid personal invectives. If that hurts feelings ... tough nuts.

I am not a politically correct person. I tend to say it like it is.

A "fact" is there are about 1,000 original Shelby Cobras, though not all exist today.

Fast forward to the mid-1990's and a few people got together and decided to call the modern Shelby Cobra, a "Continuation Series." Why? They didn't think "true replica" would sell cars. That's in the SAAC Registry, which you choose to ignore or maybe you didn't read.

Yes, I've read the Registry. For marketing purposes, your car is called a "continuation series." That's not a fact IMO. I choose to call it a replica. Shelby and SAAC consist of humans and these humans, wrongly I might add, decided to put the modern Shelby replica in the Registry and call them Continuation Cobras. What you call a "fact" is just a matter of opinion by a few select humans, and that "fact" (opinion in my world) can change in time or at least I hope.

As for labels and labeling people, call me anything you want, just don't call me "Shirley."

Just stop calling folks "lost," "misguided," "curmudgeon" or whatever insult you want to hurl at people.

[rodneym]

But Rodkock, NO companies are the same over time.
Not Ferrari.
Not Ford.
Not Rolex.
I 'get' part of your argument, but not with the "building, people, etc are different". It's just not reality.

Most Heuer freaks would take a vintage Carrera any day. But if a Heuer freak had a look-a-like, is he really gonna bash the new TAG/Heuers? Sure, if he wants to feel better about himself.

For everybody else: Evan's license/moniker is 'REAL1', not 'ORGNL1'. There's a bit of a wink and a nod in there, but it's not inaccurate. No reason to get our collective panties in a bunch.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rodneym

But Rodkock, NO companies are the same over time.
Not Ferrari.
Not Ford.
Not Rolex.

I 'get' part of your argument, but not with the "building, people, etc are different". It's just not reality.

Did any of those manufacturers stop selling cars to the public for 30+ years? And the cars and companies evolved over the years. A 1962 Ferrari GTO can't be produced and sold to the public today, at least as a registerable completed car.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

A "fact" is there are about 1,000 original Shelby Cobras, though not all exist today.

Fast forward to the mid-1990's and a few people got together and decided to call the modern Shelby Cobra, a "Continuation Series." Why? They didn't think "true replica" would sell cars. That's in the SAAC Registry, which you choose to ignore or maybe you didn't read.

Yes, I've read the Registry. For marketing purposes, your car is called a "continuation series." That's not a fact IMO. I choose to call it a replica. Shelby and SAAC consist of humans and these humans, wrongly I might add, decided to put the modern Shelby replica in the Registry and call them Continuation Cobras. What you call a "fact" is just a matter of opinion by a few select humans, and that "fact" (opinion in my world) can change in time or at least I hope.

As for labels and labeling people, call me anything you want, just don't call me "Shirley."

Just stop calling folks "lost," "misguided," "curmudgeon" or whatever insult you want to hurl at people.

Maybe I call people "clowns"? Better?

You obviously are just citing the part you want without finishing the rest of it on the issue including the "definitional" section.

If people are misguided they are misguided. That's how I'll call it. They'll have to deal with it even if it hurts their little feelings, but again if it helps I can add an adjective like "clown" first. You seem to have no issue with that.

You are also continuing to miss the crucial point and issue.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You are also continuing to miss the crucial point and issue.

Is your point that the SAAC Cobra Registrar, Ned Scudder, noted Cobra historian and Cobra expert, called the Shelby Continuation Cobra a REPLICA? I happen to agree with his opinion.

Evan, you own a gorgeous Shelby Cobra replica, which was built roughly 30-35 years after the original Cobras.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Is your point that the SAAC Cobra Registrar, Ned Scudder, noted Cobra historian and Cobra expert, called the Shelby Continuation Cobra a REPLICA? I happen to agree with his opinion.

Evan, you own a gorgeous Shelby Cobra replica, which was built roughly 30-35 years after the original Cobras.

I agree. It's a technically a true replica of the original Series Cobra. No argument. See Websters. It is also a real or genuine Shelby Cobra in its own right. I'll not only cite the World Registry of Cobras & GT40s but guess what...... we can also through in the Federal decisions (which PaulF and JoesGarage consider determinative as deciding these issues) dealing with the Shelby litigation on trade dress and trade mark as supporting precedent in the "holdings" and "findings" not just mere "dicta". Thanks for reminding me PaulF and JoesGarage!!!

An LA Exotics for example does not even rise to the level of "replica" if we are using the predominant definition as contained in Websters as used by the Registry.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I agree. It's a technically a true replica of the original Series Cobra. No argument.

Dear all, I think we are done here.

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Dear all, I think we are done here.

I think we're in overtime now.

Basically, Evan agrees his car is not an original, 60's cobra.
He also agrees that his is a genuine Shelby Continuation cobra.
And finally, he agrees his is a replica.

The only thing he fudges on is his choice of words when asked "the question".
He tells the truth, but not the whole truth, thus leaving the inquisitor with the impression that he is looking at an original, 60's era, Shelby Cobra.
Being a lawyer, you would think he would be able to answer "the question" completely and truthfully so that the person asking the question understood that he was not, in fact, looking at an original Shelby cobra but a replica of an original Shelby cobra made by Shelby.

Evan, you spend all this time and money on a car that, at best, is still a copy of an original. And then you choose (through omission of pertinent information) to let others believe it too.

Why don't you just buy an original and be done with it? Pony up and then you won't have to mislead the public any longer. You'll be able to answer "the question" truthfully by simply saying "YES".

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I agree. It's a technically a true replica of the original Series Cobra. No argument.

Everyone, this was settled several pages back. Evan owns a REPLICA. He admits it and said "No argument."

When you bring something back 30+ years later, it's a clone, replica, etc. NOT the same company, NOT the same parts, NOT the same employees, NOT the same process(es), sales, licensing, registration, production or otherwise.

We're done. The rest is word play.