Coyote 5.0L...thoughts?

[fordracing65]

I had a 5 litre dohc cammer in my spf which I just sold, the engine is fine, its just so docile, like a cobra, met emmisions, and they had a love affair, I wanted a rowdy nasty cobra hence im on my way to an FE, also I would suggest building a motor for what and where you drive, the coyote is not a street motor its a track star, so it falls flat on the street, you have to wake it up with gears cause it need to rev so high to make real power, but for $6500 its a good engine, and if you supercharge just get a windsor and save all the extra weight and plumbing, not good for a cobra, good for a mustang that ford needs to meet strick emmision standards. But I guess to each is own.

[sho928]

Originally Posted by B.M.B.C

Im leaning towards Coyote, is there stroker cranks available yet. Would be nice to see a 427 stroker coyote. Definately needs a more visual look so a 8 stack efi would be awesome! HHR Hollywood HotRods have got 427 sohc cammer valve covers reasdy to fit a coyote......

http://www.stangtv.com/news/video-a-coyote-5-0-with-individual-throttle-bodies-hits-8200-rpm/


Here you go, this Coyote makes 620 Hp on pump gas with an 8-stack EFI, it reminds me of the 8-stack Weber kits that were popular on the 289 Cobra in the 60's.
No one has mentioned how the very light 5.0 small block (170-lbs less than a 351-Windsor) would improve handling, transient response, and braking, the extremely flat wide torque band and quick throttle response combined with a much lower rotational inertia would allow taking on a road course at 10/10's without fear of too much peaky delayed torque rise breaking away the rear tires.

[blykins]

The power is not really there unless you go with a blower. If you go with a blower, then it may not be possible to take advantage of the variable cam timing, which is one of the benefits of the Coyote anyway.

The engine isn't too expensive, but the supporting equipment adds up.

There are certainly other options, even for a mild EFI engine that would be 100% streetable.

However, I can see where some guys just want to go a different route than the others, and that's certainly fine too.

[B.M.B.C]

At the moment, IMHO I'm left with Coyote or LS7 (maybe Toyota)... Unless you can advise of another V8?

Volvo/Yamaha 4.4 V8 as fitted to this.......

Noble M600 track test - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube

Volvo B8444S engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bumgarner bryan]

i have the engine in my car i spent 2 years tooling body to radiator brackets all out of carbon.win it came to the engine it was four me about weight to hp cost is also a facter.i payed 7200 four it with all the bells and whistles, just a efi four a small or big block is 5 to 6 k so for another 1200 bucks i got the hole engine i do have the molds for firewall and footbox if u need them

[olddog]

I was looking at Ford's Ecoboost engines around Christmas time. The seem to be similar in head and variable valve timing to the new 5.0. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Ecoboost version of the 5.0 in a few years.

The 3.5 ltr Ecoboost has a bit more torque down low than the 5.0 and just a little less top end Hp. I believe the 2.0 ltr Ecoboost beats the NA 3.5 ltr in Hp and torque at every rpm. I think the only thing holding Ford back, is how can they justify the power levels they would get with a 5.0 ltr version of the Ecoboost.

If they ever make it, it would be one bad ass Cobra engine.

[SpecOp1]

Dimis...your assumptions are correct...I get a kick out of those that predict this engine ...I have it and it is awesome and as tunes get better the car gets more power....I could have picked any engine..I selected this one....that $6500 thing...not in a real world. As with colors, stripes, and other choices...it is what makes cars such a neat hobby....jus say'n....Bill

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by SpecOp1

Dimis...your assumptions are correct...I get a kick out of those that predict this engine ...I have it and it is awesome and as tunes get better the car gets more power....I could have picked any engine..I selected this one....that $6500 thing...not in a real world. As with colors, stripes, and other choices...it is what makes cars such a neat hobby....jus say'n....Bill

I had a 5 litre dohc for 5 years in my spf before I sold it, the coyote is so underpowered compared to a windsor or fe its not even funny, the engine is maxed out in natural form, no new tunes can extract any more power, to gain hp naturally the only way to increase is through cubes. The engine is smooth, like a modern car, like I said to each is own

[RACER X #99]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I had a 5 litre dohc for 5 years in my spf before I sold it, the coyote is so underpowered compared to a windsor or fe its not even funny, the engine is maxed out in natural form, no new tunes can extract any more power, to gain hp naturally the only way to increase is through cubes. The engine is smooth, like a modern car, like I said to each is own

Please explain
The New 5.0 Mustangs run the 1/4 in the 12's stock
The 68 428 Cobra jets ran in the 13's stock
427 Cobras stock ran in the 12's

NO reason why the Coyote 5.0 in a cobra can't run in the 11's
Plus get over 25 MPG

Perhaps your 5.0 was never tuned properly

The biggest advantage the 5.0 has over the other engines are great breathing cylinder heads which has always been the drawback to FE's

I have owned Cobras with FE SO and big cube Windsors so don't tell me about FE's

Just in case you didn't notice the top three finishers in the Rolex 24 at Daytona were all running 5.0 Coyote based engines and they ran more miles that the 427 GT's did back in the sixties.

I would never suggest anybody not run any engine of their choice but to claim the new 5.0's are underpowered simply means you really don't know much about performance engines.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by RACER X #99

Please explain
The New 5.0 Mustangs run the 1/4 in the 12's stock
The 68 428 Cobra jets ran in the 13's stock
427 Cobras stock ran in the 12's

NO reason why the Coyote 5.0 in a cobra can't run in the 11's
Plus get over 25 MPG

Perhaps your 5.0 was never tuned properly

The biggest advantage the 5.0 has over the other engines are great breathing cylinder heads which has always been the drawback to FE's

I have owned Cobras with FE SO and big cube Windsors so don't tell me about FE's

Just in case you didn't notice the top three finishers in the Rolex 24 at Daytona were all running 5.0 Coyote based engines and they ran more miles that the 427 GT's did back in the sixties.

I would never suggest anybody not run any engine of their choice but to claim the new 5.0's are underpowered simply means you really don't know much about performance engines.

I had this engine in my spf, it won rolex also, it was the cammer, same platform, to suggest I dont know this motor is laughable, never said it wasnt a good choice, said it was underpowered compared to an fe or windsor, I did this set up 5 years ago, I knew how cool it was then and It is cool now, but underpowered in my opinion, please dont put word into my mouth, thanks.

[RACER X #99]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I had this engine in my spf, it won rolex also, it was the cammer, same platform, to suggest I dont know this motor is laughable, never said it wasnt a good choice, said it was underpowered compared to an fe or windsor, I did this set up 5 years ago, I knew how cool it was then and It is cool now, but underpowered in my opinion, please dont put word into my mouth, thanks.

Bare with me please, I'm a little confused by your post.

You say the 302 Coyote is underpowered yet the stock 5.0 makes 1.36 HP per CI for 412 HP
yet a stock 427 SO FE only makes 1 HP per CI for 425 HP

So if your going to compare engines side by side and not highly modified than the FE or the equally stock Windsors are way underpowered.

Or is there something wrong with my math.

I'll admit I have never been an FE fan even though I have owned a few.
And I believe the Windsor, especially in NASCAR configuration is a better engine.(Can't argue with 800+HP out of 358 CI)
But your opinion that the Coyote is underpowered just does not make sense.

[SpecOp1]

You know we hear about your 5 year old spf a lot ...where did you own a new Coyote 5.0....when you get or drive one call us.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by SpecOp1

You know we hear about your 5 year old spf a lot ...where did you own a new Coyote 5.0....when you get or drive one call us.

It is a cobra chat site right, and I talked about my car, imagine that, I was proud of it, do you have kids, are you proud of them, do you talk about them, most people do, are you proud of your ride, and when my Kirkham comes ill talk about it also, will it be annoying, maybe, but who cares, deal with it. thats what its for, share tid bits, talk rides, share thoughts, garanteed some of my posts have helped, just like most opinions on here helped me with my new build, Again I pioneered the 5.0 in a spf, just like you did in a backdraft, congrats. (learn about the coyote and cammer and then come talk to me.)

[madmaxx]

Well sad



QUOTE=fordracing65;1175485]It is a cobra chat site right, and I talked about my car, imagine that, I was proud of it, do you have kids, are you proud of them, do you talk about them, most people do, are you proud of your ride, and when my Kirkham comes ill talk about it also, will it be annoying, maybe, but who cares, deal with it. thats what its for, share tid bits, talk rides, share thoughts, garanteed some of my posts have helped, just like most opinions on here helped me with my new build, Again I pioneered the 5.0 in a spf, just like you did in a backdraft, congrats. (learn about the coyote and cammer and then come talk to me.)[/quote]

[eschaider]

A twin screw blower really fixes any power issues a ModMotor (4.6 or 5.0) may have at any rpm you may be having the problems.

Smaller displacement engines need elevated engine speed to produce big power. It is simply a matter of pounds of air and pounds of fuel burnt per unit time. The blown version of the 4.6 or 5.0 with 14.7 psi of manifold pressure effectively doubles the displacement of the engine. If it is a 4.6L variant with blower it acts like a 562 inch n/a engine. If it is a 5.0L variant it acts like a 600 inch n/a engine.

The bickering is nothing more than who thinks his dog is bigger.

Dimis, the most important thing to remember is, it is your car and you are paying the tab. As is so often said, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' and in this case, you are the beholder! Choose and build to make yourself happy and of course the local emissions nazis. At the end of the day the make yourself happy approach will yield the most smiles per mile - and after all that's what its all about ...

Ed

[lovehamr]

Originally Posted by eschaider

Dimis, the most important thing to remember is, it is your car and you are paying the tab. As is so often said, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' and in this case, you are the beholder! Choose and build to make yourself happy and of course the local emissions nazis. At the end of the day the make yourself happy approach will yield the most smiles per mile - and after all that's what its all about ...

Ed

And don't forget to take lots of pics because the rest of us wanna see it to! BTW, I think a BDR built as a street car, no roll bar, scoop, stripes or quick jacks and under car exaust, with a Coyote would be cool as hell.

Steve

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by eschaider

The bickering is nothing more than who thinks his dog is bigger.

Dimis, the most important thing to remember is, it is your car and you are paying the tab. As is so often said, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' and in this case, you are the beholder! Choose and build to make yourself happy and of course the local emissions nazis. At the end of the day the make yourself happy approach will yield the most smiles per mile - and after all that's what its all about ...

Ed

Ed - Not that I'm counting, but that is about the third time you have offered me sensible and sage advice. I figure for that, the least I can do is buy the drinks... so if your ever in my town, shoot me a PM.

Thanks again,
Anth

[fordracing65]

In that case get the vette motor and leave the coyote in the dust, hows that for advice. At least with the vette engine all the internals will be forged.

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Ed - Not that I'm counting, but that is about the third time you have offered me sensible and sage advice. I figure for that, the least I can do is buy the drinks... so if your ever in my town, shoot me a PM.

Thanks again,
Anth

Anth,

You've got a deal! Now I've got to find a way down to enjoy the drinks. I promise I will PM if I get down.

All the best on your build. Whatever you finally do I suspect you will deliberate enough to genuinely enjoy the project's end result.

Ed

[WardL]

I went by Hillbanks last week when I was in LA and they had a Coyote and an 8-stack FE for sale. I would prefer the Coyote. That is just me. They were both beautiful Cobras. I can see why some of the 1% have several collection cars, I haven't seen many Cobra's I didn't want.