When is a genuine Shelby no longer a Shelby

[Ron61]

The SAAC Registry of 08 addresses this but it really doesn't clear anything up. When it was registered in California, per the 08 registry it was registered as CSX 3106 instead of CSX 3016 and then later on changed back to 3016. It also seems to question if the shock tower so many are talking about is really the original or one from some other car. To many unknowns to really know if this is a Cobra that can legally be called an original. I know that in Calif. they have to retain a certain amount of the original car and some of that has to have the original VIN numbers on it. I will do some digging around our DMV and see if I can find something that makes it more clear what this state considers original. If not, I know a person in Sacramento that I can call and ask.

Ron

Ron

[CHANMADD]

So....If its made after Carroll's passing , is it also no longer a Real Shelby........?

[1985 CCX]

An old friend of mine states:

"The only original is CSX2000 the rest are replicas......"

An original 60's car is always original. I prefer the barn find however many want perfection which these cars were not. Old race cars were re-skinned, re-engined and re-everything. Probably depends upon the car to be honest. A fully restored car can still be a concours perfect car but could be considered overdone compared to 60's standards. Regardless = Original

Now when is a genuine Shelby no longer that, when it never went through Shelby facility is when. Is a car built in SA and shipped to independent dealer in the US for engine and start up a Genuine Shelby?.....................
I would say a 4000 car started at the SAI facility in Vegas = Genuine
My opinion a car that never saw a SAI facility = Hmmmm
Bigger question. Let the games begin..........

[jhv48]

It appears that the only individuals that question the legitimacy of a 1960's era cobra are those that either don't own one or own replicas.

To me, if it was built in the 60's, it is, and always will be, an original, genuine Shelby cobra. Everything else is a replica, no matter where it was built or who built it.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by jhv48

It appears that the only individuals that question the legitimacy of a 1960's era cobra are those that either don't own one or own replicas.

To me, if it was built in the 60's, it is, and always will be, an original, genuine Shelby cobra. Everything else is a replica, no matter where it was built or who built it.

I don't think this thread has anything to do with "replica" owners with questioning the legitimacy of 60's era Cobra. The question is actually quite interesting since at some point it does become somewhat farsical as to what constitutes an original Cobra when the only original pieice is a vin plate or some such other nominal part.

As to the second part of your statement the SAAC registry addresses that issue also but..you are certainly entitled to your own opinion.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Ron61

The SAAC Registry of 08 addresses this but it really doesn't clear anything up. When it was registered in California, per the 08 registry it was registered as CSX 3106 instead of CSX 3016 and then later on changed back to 3016. It also seems to question if the shock tower so many are talking about is really the original or one from some other car. To many unknowns to really know if this is a Cobra that can legally be called an original. I know that in Calif. they have to retain a certain amount of the original car and some of that has to have the original VIN numbers on it. I will do some digging around our DMV and see if I can find something that makes it more clear what this state considers original. If not, I know a person in Sacramento that I can call and ask.

Ron

Ron

I agree the registry entry is hard to follow. I can't tell whether there are 2, 3 or more potential cars that might be 3016.

However, when you say that the title may have been changed from 3106 BACK to 3016, that seems to contradict the registry.

It talks about Bacon possibly buying the title to 3106 (while Mack bought the wreck of 3106 as a bill of sale). Then Bacon sells his wrecked car with the 3106 title to Park who notices the shock tower reads 3016 and has the title "corrected" to read 3016. The car is restored by Mike McCluskey and it seems that the car started off as a street car with CSX32xx or CSX33xx features. So the car in question is most likely neither 3106 nor 3016. Perhaps nobody knows what the real serial number is.

It would seem that the car in question was an original Shelby, but without having the title for whatever its real serial number might be, does it cease to be an original cobra?

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

I agree the registry entry is hard to follow. I can't tell whether there are 2, 3 or more potential cars that might be 3016.

However, when you say that the title may have been changed from 3106 BACK to 3016, that seems to contradict the registry.

It talks about Bacon possibly buying the title to 3106 (while Mack bought the wreck of 3106 as a bill of sale). Then Bacon sells his wrecked car with the 3106 title to Park who notices the shock tower reads 3016 and has the title "corrected" to read 3016. The car is restored by Mike McCluskey and it seems that the car started off as a street car with CSX32xx or CSX33xx features. So the car in question is most likely neither 3106 nor 3016. Perhaps nobody knows what the real serial number is.

It would seem that the car in question was an original Shelby, but without having the title for whatever its real serial number might be, does it cease to be an original cobra?

This reminds me. Wasn't there a formerly original cobra that had its serial number completely obliterated and assigned a Kirkham serial number so it could be registered and titled?