Fair enough Jay but let's make them more equal in equipment that SPF or ERA supply.
Please add the optional prices of:
Heater/Defroster
Limited slip differential
Wilwood or equivalent brakes
I will agree that BDR is still cheaper but not quite as much. I am sure there are numerous other differences, some that may be important to a buyer and some that may have no relevance to purchaser.
Final winner? The customer who buys what he likes and can afford, there is no wrong answer, just different answers to different questions.
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Fair enough Jay but let's make them more equal in equipment that SPF or ERA supply.
Please add the optional prices of:
Heater/Defroster
Limited slip differential
Wilwood or equivalent brakes
I will agree that BDR is still cheaper but not quite as much. I am sure there are numerous other differences, some that may be important to a buyer and some that may have no relevance to purchaser.
Final winner? The customer who buys what he likes and can afford, there is no wrong answer, just different answers to different questions.
Ah, Rick... if you were a fish you'd be the first one caught and in the freezer truck to the local Red Lobster.
The ERA is so tailored to the customer so not easy to draw any comparisons here. But if we want to "measure up" here and compare BDR roller to SPF roller it's a lot easier. Let's start with items the BDR includes in the base roller price that you will need if you intend to complete the car and drive it (of which are additional costs on an SPF roller):
- Battery
- Driveshaft
- Motor Mounts (complete connection from frame to block)
- Expansion Tank
- Oh yes TIRES!!!
- Seat Belts
I will let you assign your own value to these items.
Now wait a minute there's more, MORE I say:
- Standard 18" Knock Off Wheels
- No charge for painted stripes
- Polished Stainless Sidepipes with Heatshields
Now if you want to bespoken about and would like to add the following options (which 80% of customers do not find necessary) then here you go:
- 40% LSD option = $1,400
- Heater Kit = $550
- Wilwood Big Brake Kit (this is a 6 piston front, not a 4, etc.) = $3500
I continue to maintain the cars are not direct competitors, they are further apart now in price and the BDR is readily available. They do similar things in different ways and can make either owner incredibly happy. That's what's important at the end of it all.
I will let you assign your own value to these items.
Now wait a minute there's more, MORE I say:
- Standard 18" Knock Off Wheels
- No charge for painted stripes
- Polished Stainless Sidepipes with Heatshields
Now if you want to bespoken about and would like to add the following options (which 80% of customers do not find necessary) then here you go:
- 40% LSD option = $1,400
- Heater Kit = $550
- Wilwood Big Brake Kit (this is a 6 piston front, not a 4, etc.) = $3500
I continue to maintain the cars are not direct competitors, they are further apart now in price and the BDR is readily available. They do similar things in different ways and can make either owner incredibly happy. That's what's important at the end of it all.
OK,
We DO include tires. Seat belts ARE standard and our optional expansion tank is a high quality stainless steel replica of the FE type tank, not a generic type tank.
100% of our customer DO get the limited slip because it is standard.
Yes, 17' or 18" wheels are an option on our cars as we are replicating the car more as it was in the 60's, not as a current style hot rod.
You and I do agree....the cars are NOT direct competitors and appeal to different demographics.
And for the record, I have not been in a "Red Lobster" for over twenty years.......although I did eat at the "Legal Seafood" in the Baltimore airport last year!
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the more I learn.. and add to my wish list...the MORE I REALIZE I will be living in a cardboard box. .under a bridge or in a van down by the river to have of these cars..........
the more I learn.. and add to my wish list...the MORE I REALIZE I will be living in a cardboard box. .under a bridge or in a van down by the river to have of these cars..........
If you are still looking I have a nice blue/white Superformance from your neck of the woods available. PM or call me for details.
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Seat belts come in the dunnage box with the chassis, they must be clipped in to the mounts. I include tires (four and they are NOT BFG TAs) or a tire allowance (to provide the choice of brand or upgrade as an option) on the chassis I sell.
No, a battery is not included and yes, stripes are optional.
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Seat belts come in the dunnage box with the chassis, they must be clipped in to the mounts. I include tires (four and they are NOT BFG TAs) or a tire allowance (to provide the choice of brand or upgrade as an option) on the chassis I sell.
No, a battery is not included and yes, stripes are optional.
I understand stripes being optional, but no tires, no installed seat belts and no battery?
I know there's a theory there, but a Kirkham is supplied with these parts.
Having owned a Superformance and a Backdraft and driven many others. Not to sound hypocritical but you cant just go on price. The superformance is a much stouter car in my opinion. I compare a supeformance to a Ford F250 and a Backdraft to a F150. Both are great cars but Superformance are heavier duty and with the crappy pot hole laden roads in this country it doesnt hurt.
In addition every part on a superformance was designed for supeformance. The BDR uses a BMW suspension which beleive it or not was designed for a sedan.
The superformance is much closer to original on the interior design, smith gauges, etc.
Bottom line in my opinion if both cars are identicle equipped with the same powertrain the superformance is worth $10K more new than a bdr and $7500 more than a BDR used.
As far as warranties they are both (SPF and BDR) fking useless unless you dealer is two miles away. Anytime you have a problem it a shipping and waiting game.
As I have said in the past all cobras are junk, my new BDR had 18 problems I fixed, the new SPF had 15. Neither could compare to the reliabilty of a 1994 Mazda Miata with 120K miles, oh, the Miata has AC also.
As far as Kirkham, I will tell you after I own one but I tend to beleive the jump in quality i experined going to a SPF wont be as great as going from a spf to a Kirkham. In the end they can only get so good.
Both SPF and BDR had cheap flimsy headlight bezels, trim rings,etc. Those are easily replaced though.
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My SPF only had one problem the speedo broke and Lance shipped me a new speedo, other than that I drove the crap out of it with zero failures, I did upgrade a few parts but that was for performance...
Actually I bought a 2007 miata with the power retractable hardtop. Nifty little car with ac and the top is incredible. $12k. Problem is zero zero torque and hp needs another 200hp. No sweat I will list for $14,800 and sell for $13,500 this fall or when I find next Cobra. Sweet ride, zero vibration, very tossible, but zero testosterone and if I didn't say it before zero power. But the retractable roof is sooooooooooooooo coooooooooool
No sweat I will list for $14,800 and sell for $13,500 this fall or when I find next Cobra.
I'd shake the Magic 8-ball one more time to recheck the Miata's selling price.
While we're on the topic of predicting the future, what does the Magic 8-ball say about the stock market for the rest of the year? How about the crop report? Should I invest in Florida frozen OJ?
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
I'd shake the Magic 8-ball one more time to recheck the Miata's selling price.
While we're on the topic of predicting the future, what does the Magic 8-ball say about the stock market for the rest of the year? How about the crop report? Should I invest in Florida frozen OJ?
"Plastic, it's then next big thing"!
From an old movie. I couldn't resist, though I may have just dated myself.
Many won't get it, I am sure...
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Learn from me!!!! What sets my miata apart from everyone else's or 75% it has the power retractable roof!!!!! Haven't found a standard for less than 15k except the one I bought Cobra had fully polished engine. As far as the market, made my money on apple got out at 659. Kinda sitting on the sidelines not wanting to loose what I made, prob is the 50% I have in the market has made more than I will make at work this year Guess I need a different job
QUOTE=RodKnock;1247450]I'd shake the Magic 8-ball one more time to recheck the Miata's selling price.
While we're on the topic of predicting the future, what does the Magic 8-ball say about the stock market for the rest of the year? How about the crop report? Should I invest in Florida frozen OJ?[/quote]
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