For CSX 2000 and 3000 Series Cobra Owners Eyes Only

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

You're not alone, and it does appear the bashing is always from members that don't actually own Shelby Cobras. There's obviously some bad blood going on here but it's still disappointing that a Senior Member would call someone that purchased his car as a Shelby... and says it's a "real Cobra from Shelby" a liar. Other than resale value, that's the point of paying the premium... You can honestly say it's a real Shelby Cobra. I liar is one that calls their replica a "Cobra" unless of course it's a real Shelby.

I also highly doubt owners of 2000 & 3000 series cars care much about what replicas are called.

This thread isn't completely useless, it can always serve as a bad example.

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Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

That's my point. I didn't say owns a "Shelby" I said owns a "Shelby Cobra". You're slipping....

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

That's my point. I didn't say owns a "Shelby" I said owns a "Shelby Cobra". You're slipping....

No, you own a Shelby licensed component car. I say this as that is how SAIabeled and sold them. Unlike the CSX2000/3000 series cars which were mostly sold as turn key vehicles, the continuation series cars could not be legally sold as such. Shelby himself acknowledged the cars as component vehicles, why can't you? Does it make you feel superior to think otherwise?

Bill S.

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

No, you own a Shelby licensed component car. I say this as that is how SAIabeled and sold them. Unlike the CSX2000/3000 series cars which were mostly sold as turn key vehicles, the continuation series cars could not be legally sold as such. Shelby himself acknowledged the cars as component vehicles, why can't you? Does it make you feel superior to think otherwise?

Bill S.

I own a Superformance... You're having a real bad day - Please let it go.


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[patrickt]

Dang, even I want this thread locked down now.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

I own a Superformance... You're having a real bad day - Please let it go.


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First, when I respond to these types of threads I do so knowing that it is just a form of mental masterbation. Rarely taken as an attack, nor meant personal. I like Evan, have had the pleasure of seeing him and his car up close and in person many times. We agree to disagree 99% of the time on this subject so do not read into it too seriously.

So are you saying your car is not licensed by SAI as a component vehicle




Bill S.

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

First, when I respond to these types of threads I do so knowing that it is just a form of mental masterbation. Rarely taken as an attack, nor meant personal. I like Evan, have had the pleasure of seeing him and his car up close and in person many times. We agree to disagree 99% of the time on this subject so do not read into it too seriously.

So are you saying your car is not licensed by SAI as a component vehicle

Bill S.

That's correct. My car is not "licensed by SAI". It is built under the license of "Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc." But truthfully, I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you really didn't intend to drag Superformance cars into this.

But why not - Let's bash anything or anyone that contributes to the success of Shelby's business.

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[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

But why not - Let's bash anything or anyone that contributes to the success of Shelby's business.

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Who is bashing here besides you? I used to own two SPF's, so to say I am bashing the brand is off the mark as well. Care to try for strike 3 ?


Bill S.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

No, you own a Shelby licensed component car. I say this as that is how SAIabeled and sold them. Unlike the CSX2000/3000 series cars which were mostly sold as turn key vehicles, the continuation series cars could not be legally sold as such. Shelby himself acknowledged the cars as component vehicles, why can't you? Does it make you feel superior to think otherwise?

Bill S.

So in that case, it does not make sense to use the terms "Shelby Cobra", "FFR Roadster", "Kirkham Daytona Coupe" or "ERA FIA Cobra"? We instead need to say something like "Non Shelby licensed ERA component vehicle with final assembly performed by Joe Bag of Donuts that resembles an FIA Cobra, which by the way is NOT real nor original".

Who cares if it is a component vehicle? A new Shelby Cobra is still a Shelby Cobra, it is just not an original Shelby Cobra.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

Hmm, I suspect that someone trying to enter a 2013 Corvette Z06 into Pebble Beach would just be a confused person, yet he/she still owns a "real" Corvette, just not an "original" Z06.

[patrickt]

I just spent the last half hour cleaning up a roll of toilet paper that someone decided to chew up and spread around the house everywhere. This thread is pretty much the same thing.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Hmm, I suspect that someone trying to enter a 2013 Corvette Z06 into Pebble Beach would just be a confused person, yet he/she still owns a "real" Corvette, just not an "original" Z06.

The flaw with this argument or statement is that the 2013 Z06 doesn't remotely look like a 1963 Z06.

[LightNFast]

mrmustang,

Not bashing? Do you think this is supportive and helps sell Shelby's?

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

I suspect they appear to YOU to have a chip on their shoulder's because of your biased opinion about their cars and the people that own them.

Yeah "Welcome to Club Cobra...The world's largest non-biased Cobra site!"


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[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

mrmustang,

Not bashing? Do you think this is supportive and helps sell Shelby's?

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This site, and it's members are not here to help sell Shelby's, what in the world ever gave you the impression it was? We are here because we love the Cobra (and Shelby's as a whole). We are as unbiased as possible when not put in to a situation where there are no real winners, and we all lose by bickering about petty things (such as the hair splitting of this thread). Feel free to read my sig line, not sure about you, but I live it every day.


Bill S.

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

This site, and it's members are not here to help sell Shelby's, what in the world ever gave you the impression it was? We are here because we love the Cobra (and Shelby's as a whole). We are as unbiased as possible when not put in to a situation where there are no real winners, and we all lose by bickering about petty things (such as the hair splitting of this thread). Feel free to read my sig line, not sure about you, but I live it every day.


Bill S.

Of course, most of us are not here to help to sell anything. But since we love the Cobra, I suggest we refrain from comments that downplay the value of owning a Shelby Cobra.

Truce-

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[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

Of course, most of us are not here to help to sell anything. But since we love the Cobra, I suggest we refrain from comments that downplay the value of owning a Shelby Cobra.

Truce-

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No need for a truce as there was never really a fight going on. Anyone that reads this thread, or the 20+ just like it that have popped up from time to time will never think that it will devalue owning a Shelby, real, replicva, or continuation series alike. If they do, perhaps it is that particular reader that needs to have his or her head examined

Originally Posted by Jamo

Need to share something...

Early on (still on the first page), Ron and I were trying to decide whether to let this thread go forward. Ron had his doubts, as did I, because of all of the earlier discussions on this subject.

We finally settled on as good a reason as anything else to let it go forward...there was nuthin else going on.

I figured as much, especially after all the years everyone here has had to put up with the same banter, back and forth, over and over


Bill S.

[Tutosnake]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

Aha!, it was you, MrMustang!! I will direct you to my last reply above. My apologies to Mr. RodKnock, since I thought he made the comments about Pebble Beach and investment.

Cheers!
Tuto

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

Talk about misleading! Really, please do enligthen us as to your CSX#.

Oh, you mean you own an original Shelby Mustang? Oh, yes thats exactly like a Cobra. Silly me.

Actually, your wrong. There are no Continuation owners that I know of that have issues with the fact there cars are not put in the same category as the originals at any show. I don't know of a single Continuation Cobra owner that would expect there cars to be accepted into shows such as Pebble beach. You make yourself look ridiculous with statements like that.

If anything the bulk of the issue seems to be voiced by those that don't own Shelby Cobras. Funny isn't it? Seems to me that many non Shelby owners would love for Continuation owners to be self deprecating as to what they own and just simply say "no and leave it at that" when asked if what they own is a real Cobra. That clearly brings the Shelby down in the same category as their car. Perfect, right?

Continuation owners aren't allowed to say their cars are "original" that would be a sin and a lie. Continuation owners can't say their Cobras are real either. Oh, no thats misleading and even saying they are Continuation Series Cobras creates too much confusion in the mind of the little boy with sticky fingers eating his ice cream cone. Can't have that either. All Continuation owners have left to do is "just say no" to the "is it real question" and hang their head in sadness.

I am throwing out my World Registry now. It has misguided me. Alas, It's words are hollow and meaningless. It has no weight. It is given no respect especially here on the worlds largest "unbiased" Cobra site (). I was duped at the SAAC convention when told it was the "Bible" of all things Cobra. Can I get a refund?

I should have saved substantial sums and just kept my ERA. All that effort and I still can't even say I have a real Cobra.

Anyone want to trade even up for a nice ERA?

One thing is intrigueing though as to the "AC Cobras" that don't carry that silly little Shelby plaque we see on those Shelby you know "replicas"... Last I read Shelby was the manufacturer of record of the Cobra in the 60's just like today and AC sold Cobras under agreement and license from SAI. The AC Cobras never touched any Shelby facility. So...seems like the Continuation Cobra (you know that "replica" one) has more Shelby DNA then the original AC Cobras.

Just a thought.

Good night.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

One thing is intrigueing though as to the AC Cobras. Last I read Shelby was the manufacturer of record of the Cobra in the 60's just like today and AC sold Cobras under agreement and license from SAI which never touched any Shelby facility. So...seems like the Continuation Cobra have more Shelby DNA then the original AC Cobras.

I have a factually correct reply to that ridiculous statement that would make you look foolish.

But, I will hold off on it, because you are doing just fine by yourself.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Actually, your wrong. There are no Continuation owners that I know of that have issues with the fact there cars are not put in the same category as the originals at any show. I don't know of a single Continuation Cobra owner that would expect there cars to be accepted into shows such as Pebble beach. You make yourself look ridiculous with statements like that.

Oh Evan, you need to come out to the LVSAAC events some time, where you will meet a certain CSX4000 series owner who's tales about his car get better and better each time he shows it. First it started out that the car was produced and hand built by CS himself, then that his supercharged engine was hand built by CS and that he has turned down 2.5M for his car several times over. While his car is indeed beautiful (as is yours), it was not built in the 60's, nor was it hand built by CS. At a meet in Hershey, he was overseen arguing with the staff about the pedigree of his car, waving a copy of his MSO (signed by CS) as "proof" of what the car was. I have "personally" witnessed at least 11 other "Continuation Series" owners across the county who have acted in a similar nature. Drinking the CS Koolaid of the time period and hoping their "Tardis" was in working order.

As for an ERA trade for a CSX, funny, but I knew someone with a beautiful yellow ERA once who lost a simple, local Mustang Club car show to an equally beautiful (but cleaner and more detailed) Factory Five Cobra. To show his disgust (and perhaps lack of better judgement), in the middle of the awards presentation (after he lost ), he fired up his yellow chariot and proceed to do a large burnout out of the parking lot and on to RT10 west in Randolph, NJ, making a fool out of himself in the process(in front of 200+ witnesses of all age groups). Rumor has it he sold the car soon afterwards and ordered a jet black CSX4000 series in aluminum so that this never happened again..........


Bill S.

PS: The names have been removed to protect the guilty