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Old 05-21-2014, 08:28 AM
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If any makers/dealers want to share their opinions about the future of Cobra replicas, please chime in.
Would that be these guys here?

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... I looked at the websites of JBL, ERA, SHell, Hurricane, Kirkham, FFR, BDR, SPE and they all suck ...
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Would that be these guys here?

Yep.

As far as website appeal, BDR/Vintage leads the pack. The car videos are crisp, good audio, excellent photography, the music fresh. I also like their youtube channel and their marketing style. Their "black" series reminds me of the Harley Davidson "Dark Custom" bikes aimed for a new buyer to the H-D lifestyle.
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This isn’t a coincidence. Shelby Cobras and Cobra Replicas are a car whose sales depend disproportionately — almost exclusively, in fact — on middle-aged Caucasian males. drivers younger than 40 generally lack the time, interest or the bankroll to buy a Cobra. But by the time they get into their 60s or older, the noise and joint pain have begun to make driving lose its allure. You might still drive hard in your 60s, but you’re doing it less frequently and you probably aren’t buying a new Cobra.



The sweet spot is the mid-40s to early 50s. And with the Baby Boomers — the largest and wealthiest generation in history — now largely aged out of this key demographic bracket, Cobra MFG have a serious problem. Generation X — my generation — is not nearly large enough to pick up the slack, and Generation Y (aka “the Millennials” or “Echo Boomers”) are decades away from being in the demographic sweet spot for Cobras, and this assumes they take to driving like their dads did. The number of American men aged 40-49 is set to decline through the early 2020s and won’t reach its old 2010 peak until 2035.


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To support that, here is a Club Cobra Poll....


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This isn’t a coincidence. Shelby Cobras and Cobra Replicas are a car whose sales depend disproportionately — almost exclusively, in fact — on middle-aged Caucasian males. drivers younger than 40 generally lack the time, interest or the bankroll to buy a Cobra. But by the time they get into their 60s or older, the noise and joint pain have begun to make driving lose its allure. You might still drive hard in your 60s, but you’re doing it less frequently and you probably aren’t buying a new Cobra.

The sweet spot is the mid-40s to early 50s. And with the Baby Boomers — the largest and wealthiest generation in history — now largely aged out of this key demographic bracket, Cobra MFG have a serious problem. Generation X — my generation — is not nearly large enough to pick up the slack, and Generation Y (aka “the Millennials” or “Echo Boomers”) are decades away from being in the demographic sweet spot for Cobras, and this assumes they take to driving like their dads did. The number of American men aged 40-49 is set to decline through the early 2020s and won’t reach its old 2010 peak until 2035.
You folks are thinking of "chronological age", but everyone also has a "biological age" too. Essentially, depending on factors such as exercise, diet, alcohol consumption, amount of sleep, smoking, happiness, etc., your biological age could be far more or much less than your chronological age.

If you have the time, take this simple 2-minute test to establish your "biological age."

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Morgan Spurlock of "Inside Man" just did a show for CNN on this topic.
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Yep.

As far as website appeal, BDR/Vintage leads the pack. The car videos are crisp, good audio, excellent photography, the music fresh. I also like their youtube channel and their marketing style. Their "black" series reminds me of the Harley Davidson "Dark Custom" bikes aimed for a new buyer to the H-D lifestyle.
Well good luck. I would expect makers/dealers will probably read your comments here and elsewhere, determine they are generally toxic in nature, credentials = electric car guy on the outside looking in, and then quickly move on to more productive things.

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Well hell...according to that, I'm about 17.

Funny thing is, I feel about 14.
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Well hell...according to that, I'm about 17.

Funny thing is, I feel about 14.
Well, then, maybe the test isn't so accurate then.
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My Cobra took at least 10 years off me. Imagine some of you experienced the same.
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I think the Cobra makers have done a poor job at marketing the car for younger buyers. ------ The cars need a makeover, pimped out with modern comforts- auto trans, AC, Heat, Nav system, traction control, bigger wheels, and engine choice, whether it is a Chevy, Ford, Electric, turbo, etc. These cars can be hip again. History has proven that everything old is new.
What you are describing is already out there. It's called a viper.
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Nothing else drives quite like a well turned out original or quality replica. I think there will always be demand for that.
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Larry Ellison (Oracle CEO) spent a $1 Million on his Kirkham Cobra and, unbelievably, didn't install A/C, Navi, traction control, bigger wheels, cup holders, and G-d forbid, no radio/CD player/bluetooth/iPod adapter.

What was he thinking?

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Didn't get a lot of press though.
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Larry Ellison (Oracle CEO) spent a $1 Million on his Kirkham Cobra and, unbelievably, didn't install A/C, Navi, traction control, bigger wheels, cup holders, and G-d forbid, no radio/CD player/bluetooth/iPod adapter.

What was he thinking?
He didn't need AC in the Cobra because he installed it on his island, Lanai.
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Yes, I know Jay Leno trends "old" so the "utes" (youths) may not remember this commercial from about 5 years ago, but it definitely catches the eye of any car fanatic:

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I think Vintage is the only Cobra maker that shows High Def videos of their new build cars on the road and it is exciting to see and hear the noises these cars make.

Most of the manuf. you describe in your first post are either barely existent (JBL, really? How many cars have they built in the last 10 years?) or prefer to stay 'exclusive' and maintain a tiny yearly output. FFR probably sells as many as they can build and has stretched out into other markets as well. Plus with the 21 jiggawatts of FFRs out there it's not like they need a website to sell their product. When I got interested I had my choice of locals cars to see, ride and even drive before I ordered one.

Insurance and regulation is going to kill this hobby long before a lack of interest in the Cobra itself.
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Insurance and regulation is going to kill this hobby long before a lack of interest in the Cobra itself.
I share the same concern. More the regulations than insurance (in Germany, my old home)
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Do you remember back in the old days of 2012, when you could go into a Costco and purchase a brand new Kirkham?

Replicas in Bulk: Go to Costco, Come Home with a Shelby Cobra Clone
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... The cars need a makeover, pimped out with modern comforts- auto trans, AC, Heat, Nav system, traction control, bigger wheels, and engine choice, whether it is a Chevy, Ford, Electric, turbo, etc. These cars can be hip again. History has proven that everything old is new ...
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What you are describing is already out there. It's called a viper.
I was thinking vette, but both fit the bill.
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I was thinking vette, but both fit the bill.
I was thinking the SLS.

The 2nd gen Viper, the only Viper worth buying, feels like almost as much of a go-kart as these Cobras do. And they do have A/C...if it's working. The other stuff, not so much.

As far as a vette being like the Cobra or appealing to the same market, I just don't see it.
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Re: the vette, from an appearance standpoint I would agree the viper has it hands down, but for creature comforts in a roadster you can get 'em all in a vette. There was a recent thread where a veteran cobra owner decided to sell for something more manageable, that something turned out to be a vette. The thread name was something like "I guess I've moved to the darkside".
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