Carroll Shelby and the "left over frames" saga?

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by buddyg

You have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't own a Cobra

You don't own a cobra. Check SAAC registry.

You own a nice hot rod in the shape of cobra.

[ACademic]

Buddyg, just ignore that response. It's NewYorkGuy's world...We just live in it.

[buddyg]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

You don't own a cobra. Check SAAC registry.

You own a nice hot rod in the shape of cobra.

I don't give a crap what you, SAAC or Real1 says to me it's a Cobra and that's all that matters. Now go back, play your video game and eat a Popsicle

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by buddyg

I don't give a crap what you, SAAC or Real1 says to me it's a Cobra and that's all that matters. Now go back, play your video game and eat a Popsicle

Yes. Of course you have a "Cobra". Yes you do. Don't pay any attention to that silly little Registry and reality since the real reality is in your head. Can't let the facts get in way of fantasy.

[Dominik]

All aside, what we are seeing here is the a generation gap.

The original question is mostly answered, and if was in marketing I would get a newcomer like NYG on my side and rethink marketing of my Cobras.

The essence (now I pretend I am in marketing) is: Get the youngsters in your car and haul them around a racetrack. One lap is enough.

Or a 1/4 mile. There is nothing more convincing than noise, smoke and wheel spin halfway to the 1/4 mile mark, with a bit of sideways when shifting. Use old tires. Wheel spin sells. Traction won't.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by Dominik

All aside, what we are seeing here is the a generation gap.

The original question is mostly answered, and if was in marketing I would get a newcomer like NYG on my side and rethink marketing of my Cobras.

The essence (now I pretend I am in marketing) is: Get the youngsters in your car and haul them around a racetrack. One lap is enough.

Or a 1/4 mile. There is nothing more convincing than noise, smoke and wheel spin halfway to the 1/4 mile mark, with a bit of sideways when shifting. Use old tires. Wheel spin sells. Traction won't.

My group of car friends have done track days, drag strips, street racing, virtual track. We are not dumb car posers who can't change a tire; we are engineers, math wizards, scientists.

Mr. Shelby was a great inventor but he was also a shady businessman. Car fans seem to gloss over facts and lawsuits because, well, he was Carroll Shelby, the chicken farmer from Texas, created the Cobra, gt40, daytona, beat Enzo...so on and so on.

Reminds me of my childhood in NYC, little Italy. My family knew a guy named John Gotti, Sr. He kissed a lot of babies, donated money, a family guy. My dad said he hugged me once. I don't remember. My dad was polite to him but he never did any business or associated with him but John was a great guy in public.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

My group of car friends have done track days, drag strips, street racing, virtual track ...

Cool, you ought to have them explain to you, their token wallflower, the difference between virtual track and the thrill of controlling the real deal through forward and lateral g's, only then will you "get it" my paper mache friend

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yes. Of course you have a "Cobra". Yes you do. Don't pay any attention to that silly little Registry and reality since the real reality is in your head. Can't let the facts get in way of fantasy.

Actually, you ought to listen to yourself.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Actually, you ought to listen to yourself.

Around here I do. I'm the only one who gets the facts and reality. It's all in that authoritative reference you cited to but selectively ignore.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Around here I do. I'm the only one who gets the facts and reality. It's all in that authoritative reference you cited to but selectively ignore.

That authoritative reference that you so cling to also refers to the CSX4000 as a "true replica." See page 708. Shelby didn't want the word "replica" in his promotional materials, so they brainstormed the nomenclature "component", which became "continuation."

On Page 709, SAAC then references the CSX4000 as a "recreation", not an accurate reproduction.

And of course, the SAAC registry does list another replica called the Kirkham Cobra.

"Silly registry."

[REAL 1]

Bingo. Your catching on!!! Woohoo!!!!

A true replica is defined in Websters. Correct. SAAC's defiinitions vary from dictionary for the stated reasons and rationale. The operative definitional section and categories are set forth beginning on page 30.

[buddyg]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yes. Of course you have a "Cobra". Yes you do. Don't pay any attention to that silly little Registry and reality since the real reality is in your head. Can't let the facts get in way of fantasy.

I didn't say I had an original Cobra just a Cobra. If any asks if it's original I tell them it's a Replica, we've been over this repeatedly. Yours is no more an original than mine. Replay, repeat, etc...

Your in Fantasy land because you paid so much more for the same thing and try to justify why you spent the money.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by buddyg

I didn't say I had an original cCobra just a Cobra. If any asks if it's original I tell them it's a Replica, we've been over this repeatedly. Yours is no more an original than mine. Replay, repeat, etc...

Your in Fantasy land because you paid so much more for the same thing and try to justify why you spent the money.

ok.

I know very clearly what you said. More disrespect of what others own in a classic CC envy tantrum.

Let me help since you cant seem to grasp this (but I suspect really do and continue your position out of sour grapes). Even the NYG gets it. You don't have a "Cobra" either. That's fact. Actually, what you have is a replica of mine. The company that built your "replica" in fact paid a licencing fee to Shelby American to build and sell your Replica and in fact also constructs glass body current production Cobras under contract with SAI for import. Apparently you also disagree with the company that built your car also.

Nope with you especially it's seems a clear case of envy.

Don't need to justify anything. It's all in that silly Registry.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

ok.

I know very clearly what you said. More disrespect of what others own in a classic CC envy tantrum.

Let me help since you cant seem to grasp this (but I suspect really do and continue your position out of sour grapes). Even the NYG gets it. You don't have a "Cobra" either. That's fact. Actually, what you have is a replica of mine. The company that built your "replica" in fact paid a licencing fee to Shelby American to build and sell your Replica and in fact also constructs glass body current production Cobras under contract with SAI for import. Apparently you also disagree with the company that built your car also.

Nope with you especially it's seems a clear case of envy.

Don't need to justify anything. It's all in that silly Registry.

Real 1 gets it. I know his tone/writing is rude and sometimes loathing, but he is right about Cobras.

I don't wear a fake Rolex but u can buy a quartz Rolex on Canal Street, NYC for $40 buxs or u can buy the best fake in Japan for $500 (automatic, crystal glass).

They are both fakes, just a question of how pretty u want your fake.

[bret a ewing]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Real 1 gets it................................................ .....................................They are both fakes, just a question of how pretty u want your fake.

So will you once he figgures out you called his car a fake.

Sorry Ron(s), I got money on this one (9 to go).

[buddyg]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

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Nope with you especially it's seems a clear case of envy.

Don't need to justify anything. It's all in that silly Registry.

LOL I don't envy you at all, I could have bought the same Replica of the original that you did I'm just smarter with my money.

You said it a silly Registry created by a group of people that include your kind of Replica's with Originals. LOL

I would respect it alot more if it only included the Original 60's Cobras, not fakeydoos like yours and mine.

In the end as I said to ME (And I could care less what anyone else wants to call it) it's a Cobra, not an original just a replica of a Cobra.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by buddyg

LOL I don't envy you at all, I could have bought the same Replica of the original that you did I'm just smarter with my money.

You said it a silly Registry created by a group of people that include your kind of Replica's with Originals. LOL

I would respect it alot more if it only included the Original 60's Cobras, not fakeydoos like yours and mine.

In the end as I said to ME (And I could care less what anyone else wants to call it) it's a Cobra, not an original just a replica of a Cobra.

Well, time will tell who was smarter with their money. So far my Cobra has appreciated. Don't know about your replica thereof.

Oh, I see...you would respect it if the Registry which is a compendium of combined knowledge of experts in the field with years of experience all agreed with you. Yup. That's perfect. No problem. I understand.

My Cobra is clearly not a fakeydo and Continuation Cobras were expressly excluded from the Fakeydoo thread several weeks ago. You must have missed it.

I think some of you guys are just throwing a tantrum because this so called "troll" has you beat. I don't see where he's a troll. He asked questions pertaining to Cobras. This is the cite for it isn't it.

Oh, yeah. Forgot. This is CC. Only the majority bias opinions and views control even if they run counter to SAAC and every other authority. Classic CC.

Onyxrider: I didn't know you have an original Cobra. CSX# please. If you do yes you are right mine is a re-issue of the original.

NYG: Yes, my writing is "blunt" at times shall we say and don't suffer disrespect well and try and make my point as respectfully as possible considering the crowd I am dealing with. For me I analogize it to being an Israeli in the middle east. I am in a rough neighborhood and deal with it accordingly.