selling a Cobra with a Chevy.

[rodneym]

AL427SBF,
No need to complicate it. And we're not talking investments.
It was whether or not a Chevy plant hurts the value of a Cobra compared to a Ford.
In your example, Thor could have made out like a bandit but that doesn't say anything. Thor's sale only gives us one point of reference. That's why I mentioned mrmustang. I'm sure he's got numbers but he's probably observing from a distance, smiling like the Cheshire cat

[1985 CCX]

Tom
You misread my type #1, you made it negative.
You are also right about a replica; its a kit and that is it, but they can create profitable creations.

This will never settle the debate as you had what you had. But you never experienced the gas station chatter, ice cream stand or car show question.
"Is that a real 427?" They don't mean from GM.

It is what it is. Now you can relish in the memory of your old CCX car.
The one that got away ......... Tony would love this thread.


For the record this car was never on the road.

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

For the record this car was never on the road.

Ahhh that's to bad. So the real question here is how does he know it would be faster than a Ford. Right now it's just a case of the "woulda, coulda, shoulda's"

[skibum2]

I went out of my way to purchase my BB chevy powered cobra... it was exactly what I wanted.. Loved the replica and sold it for a very nice profit..I personally will not buy a ford powered replica..

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by skibum2

I went out of my way to purchase my BB chevy powered cobra... it was exactly what I wanted.. Loved the replica and sold it for a very nice profit..I personally will not buy a ford powered replica..

Pics and details please.

You too Thor. Still waiting.

[skibum2]

[REAL 1]

Please repost your details and photos.

[Thor maine]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

Tom
You misread my type #1, you made it negative.
You are also right about a replica; its a kit and that is it, but they can create profitable creations.

This will never settle the debate as you had what you had. But you never experienced the gas station chatter, ice cream stand or car show question.
"Is that a real 427?" They don't mean from GM.

It is what it is. Now you can relish in the memory of your old CCX car.
The one that got away ......... Tony would love this thread.


For the record this car was never on the road.

For the record my CCX was a driver and it was from the time I was 18 til I was around 30. I never titled it or registered it, I could not. I have talked about how (in my opinion) Peter Bayer was an A-HOLE. When I found out my car was one of the prototypes and why things just did not fit correctly and where all my "back ordered " parts were, I would call Peter and all I would get was "yes we are aware of that problem and have corrected it". I was asking so what are you going to do for me? I paid good money but got the screw. Monti Gotti was nice to me but Peter was a DICK and told me to F off and don't bother to call again. The kicker was he never gave me a "Manufacturer Statement of Origin. Without the MSO I could not get a title or registration. I even with a friends dealer plate drove it to the State Police barracks to try and get a field safety inspection to try and get a title. The trooper looked at it ( this was in the late 80's) said I needed 5mph bumpers and the sidepipes were an absolute NO GO, and they almost arrested me for driving it only with some quick talking did they let me trailer it home. After that I had it at a friends garage (Floyd Gray owner Grays Garage) and I took it apart and was going to do a better ,cleaner job on the rebuild after all I was only 15 when I was putting it together the first time. It was there a for over a year when Floyd died and his two brothers believed that anything in the shop was theirs and I got tied up in a Probate battle. Which finally ended over a year later when I had had enough. I beat the crap out of both brothers and locked them in the trunk of a car and took all my Cobra stuff , Lucky me no witnesses . And since it has been in my garage. You can see Floyd in my "album" he is the gentleman on the right with the hat. He was a good friend

[1985 CCX]

Bill

Nope, his wife won't let him..........

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

Bill

Nope, his wife won't let him..........

DOH!!!!

[CowtownCobra]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

............I never titled it or registered it, I could not..... The kicker was he never gave me a "Manufacturer Statement of Origin. Without the MSO I could not get a title or registration.........

Regardless of the engine, you sold a car that could not be licensed for the street?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by CowtownCobra

Regardless of the engine, you sold a car that could not be licensed for the street?

Well that explains everything! Of course Chebbie power is the the superior choice for a Cobra replica that can't be licensed for the the street. They make for superior field cars without a doubt.

How did I miss that? This has all been a terrible misunderstanding.

Thor, I do apologize.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Well that explains everything! Of course Chebbie power is the the superior choice for a Cobra replica that can't be licensed for the the street. They make for superior field cars without a doubt.

How did I miss that? This has all been a terrible misunderstanding.

Thor, I do apologize.

Thor came clean on the question, now there's you at the other end of the spectrum. You say to build your car today it would cost $260K. Ok, what did it cost you to build yours (at the time) and what year was that?
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[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Thor came clean on the question, now there's you at the other end of the spectrum. You say to build your car today it would cost $260K. Ok, what did it cost you to build yours (at the time) and what year was that?
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No, he didn't come clean. What was his selling price? Still waiting.

Cost of an alloy Continuation rolliing chassis in 2000/2001 was around $72k as I recall. Cost of fit up back then $25K to $30k roughly using a 427SO or Shelby aluminum 427.

Cost today is $180K for rolling chassis as I understand. Cost of final fit up depending on engine $40K to $60K estimated today with SO or aluminum 427 and "options" (less options back then since things were included). You can do for less with a 428 or 390FE though.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by rodneym

AL427SBF,
No need to complicate it. And we're not talking investments.
It was whether or not a Chevy plant hurts the value of a Cobra compared to a Ford.
In your example, Thor could have made out like a bandit but that doesn't say anything. Thor's sale only gives us one point of reference. That's why I mentioned mrmustang. I'm sure he's got numbers but he's probably observing from a distance, smiling like the Cheshire cat

Actually it's a simplification, whatever power you have is already priced into it, that's the point. mrmustang can post selling numbers all day long, without knowing what the owner paid for it - the data tells half the story ...

... unless you just want to play the my replica is more expensive than your replica game (while you own it). We can do that with houses too I see hi-tech and quality components (just like Thor) as the real player in a replica's market value.
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[1985 CCX]

AL427SBF

Keep in kind Tom and I have known each other since high school. 80's
Long history.

The point is there are many ways to create a Cobra. I am just a purist and for my budget I do what I can.
A great friend of mine has an awesome cobra that is more hot rod than Cobra. Just a different flavor.

This all started when I suggested best bang for buck would be selling the CCX and the bowtie separate as it may bring of net more $. I admittedly stated I don't know what a GM 427 with Muncie is worth. It has sat since late 80's. glad he made more than anyone expected. Me for sure. Figured the CCX could stand as a great base on its own legs.

Not sure about simple difference of cash in cash out.
But ok, I concede....

Btw the car in question.

[1985 CCX]

And the CCX

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

AL427SBF

Keep in kind Tom and I have known each other since high school. 80's
Long history.

The point is there are many ways to create a Cobra. I am just a purist and for my budget I do what I can.
A great friend of mine has an awesome cobra that is more hot rod than Cobra. Just a different flavor.

This all started when I suggested best bang for buck would be selling the CCX and the bowtie separate as it may bring of net more $. I admittedly stated I don't know what a GM 427 with Muncie is worth. It has sat since late 80's. glad he made more than anyone expected. Me for sure. Figured the CCX could stand as a great base on its own legs.

Not sure about simple difference of cash in cash out.
But ok, I concede....

Btw the car in question.

Not apposed to your view of the cobra world at all, and being life long friends with Thor sharing this hobby, it's all good! The point I'm making is that the statement a Chevy plant hurts the value of a Cobra compared to a Ford is flawed from inception. As you say, there are different flavors of these beasts - and I'm sure we agree that they are worth what the market will bear, both going in and getting out. Because of that, I say there is no financial argument that can be made regarding buying a replica with a ford power plant in it vs. a chevy.
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[patrickt]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Not apposed to your view of the cobra world at all, and being life long friends with Thor sharing this hobby, it's all good! The point I'm making is that the statement a Chevy plant hurts the value of a Cobra compared to a Ford is flawed from inception. As you say, there are different flavors of these beasts - and I'm sure we agree that they are worth what the market will bear, both going in and getting out. Because of that, I say there is no financial argument that can be made regarding buying a replica with a ford power plant in it vs. a chevy.
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I agree. In fact, I see no difference at all between a small block Ford in a 427 style car and a Chevy Rat motor in a 427 style car.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I agree. In fact, I see no difference at all between a small block Ford in a 427 style car and a Chevy Rat motor in a 427 style car.

Coup de grâce, a blown rat motor in a rat cobra, now we're getting somewhere ...
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