Alloycars are real

[stevo7896]

No problem .Did review, just a slow at typing

[MrNobody]

Ok, I got some news from Factory Five.
I just came back from the Alloycars shop. We went over my chassis information and we contacted FFR to figure out the year of my chassis is.
The bad news is that I have in fact a year 2002 MKII chassis, not a MKIII but FFR told me that I still can use those suspension parts if I want to keep the Mustang II suspension. Surprised by that Ingo, the owner asked for his chassis type as well and it is also a MKII.
This is why it looked identical to mine. After looking on his Bill of Sale it said it was a MKIII but FFR identified it was a MKII which is the same that happend with me and if we didn't call to FFR we would have never figured it out.
Until now there was no reason to believe that it wasn't in fact a MKIII. Now I am in debate if I go for a MKIV or stay with my MKII. Ingo told me that either way I choose nothing will change in our agreement.

[CNGreen]

Mustang II suspension?

[G-Pete]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

therefore this will be my first and last post here.

25 posts later...

[G-Pete]

...in less than 19 hours. .

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by G-Pete

25 posts later...

There are people here who want to see how this all plays out without the bickering. Continuous baiting and pettiness like this is only serving to aggravate the moderators and and force them to waste their time and intervene to close yet another thread one the same topic.

I really enjoyed your build thread and many of your other posts, but you're just stirring the pot here and maybe you and other trolls should just BUTT OUT.

I'm not going to engage you in a long BS exchange - out of respect for others here that's all I'm going to say.

[Bill D]

MrNobody, FFR has never used Mustang Ii suspension. Please recheck. Also what is your FFR number?

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Bill D

MrNobody, FFR has never used Mustang Ii suspension. Please recheck. Also what is your FFR number?

Sorry Sir, I called FFR this morning and they told me Mustang II spindles for MKII kits. I am getting confused. FFR number is FFR3973K

[Bill D]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

Sorry Sir, I called FFR this morning and they told me Mustang II spindles for MKII kits. I am getting confused. FFR number is FFR3973K

You were misinformed. I had a Mk2 FFR (3378) and it used 87-93 Fox spindles. You can use 94-96 SN95 spindles, but nowhere has FFR ever used Mustang II spindles.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Bill D

You were misinformed. I had a Mk2 FFR (3378) and it used 87-93 Fox spindles. You can use 94-96 SN95 spindles, but nowhere has FFR ever used Mustang II spindles.

It can be that I didn't get it. But, you know. After all those posts here I will back up a little bit. Not with my aluminum re-body but I really didn't get any potential information and support here.
427SBF, Bill and only a small portion of members are really trying to look forward with this project but most of you are talking about anything else, like Kirkham badges, MKII aluminum body from Kirkham and trying to figure out personal information. What this has to do with aluminum bodied cars or with my project???
This is NOT very professional as I expected. I can see ENVIOUSNESS, MISLEADING and unwise comments.

All this for a fantastic FFR photo his buddy posted??? Come on.

Is this the idea of this FORUM? Really?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

It can be that I didn't get it. But, you know. After all those posts here I will back up a little bit. Not with my aluminum re-body but I really didn't get any potential information and support here.
427SBF, Bill and only a small portion of members are really trying to look forward with this project but most of you are talking about anything else, like Kirkham badges, MKII aluminum body from Kirkham and trying to figure out personal information. What this has to do with aluminum bodied cars or with my project???
This is NOT very professional as I expected. I can see ENVIOUSNESS, MISLEADING and unwise comments.

All this for a fantastic FFR photo his buddy posted??? Come on.

Is this the idea of this FORUM? Really?

Protecting someone's money, aka consumer protection, is an important part of this or any forum. Fraud is fraud. You cannot use unauthorized pictures to sell your product. And it doesn't matter if "others do it." Wrong is wrong.

Enviousness? Misleading? You "come on."

As for "unwise" comments, I agree, NYG's "Kirkham badge" comment was ridiculous and nonsense, but Jamo cautioned NYG.

MikeinAtlanta has been bending over backwards to help you.

[WhiteBirchFarm]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

It can be that I didn't get it. But, you know. After all those posts here I will back up a little bit. Not with my aluminum re-body but I really didn't get any potential information and support here.
427SBF, Bill and only a small portion of members are really trying to look forward with this project but most of you are talking about anything else, like Kirkham badges, MKII aluminum body from Kirkham and trying to figure out personal information. What this has to do with aluminum bodied cars or with my project???
This is NOT very professional as I expected. I can see ENVIOUSNESS, MISLEADING and unwise comments.

All this for a fantastic FFR photo his buddy posted??? Come on.

Is this the idea of this FORUM? Really?

I'm new here and not joining in on any of the back and forth. I do suggest you keep an open eye with things and report back your personal experiences. I would also suggest if you want great information read as you have done and contact those members with extensive knowledge through PM's or back channels.

You would be surprised dealing one on one with experts in this field.

[G-Pete]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

This is NOT very professional as I expected. I can see ENVIOUSNESS, MISLEADING and unwise comments.

Specify!?

[ICBomber90]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

Sorry Sir, I called FFR this morning and they told me Mustang II spindles for MKII kits. I am getting confused. FFR number is FFR3973K

FYI: I'm an FFR guy and have a pretty good understanding (10-12 years) of the Factory Five product. Bill D aka (2fast4you) and Mrmustang have been involved with the FFR product since its early years and are as knowledgeable as you will find. They will ask questions that at first will seem unreasonable, but understand, as the FFR product evolved and improved, proper details are needed.

You can build a great Cobra from a Mark II frame; your body fabricator must know and understand the differences between each Mark’s frames/bodies. I would recommend spending a TON of time researching the small differences in the different FFR frames BEFORE committing 16K to re-body your car. Get yourself log onto FFCars & factoryfiveforum, you will save yourself a great deal of heart ache!

Good luck with you re-body! I wish I had the coin to spend on such a cool project. Please document your ground breaking build.

Pat

[G-Pete]

Reading between the lines....


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[REAL 1]

I don't want to say too much but that FFR serial number he provided, lets see the car it belongs to. I think we might be surprised...

that's all I'll say for now.

[AL427SBF]

stevo7896 - No disrespect taken, no I am not a sales rep for Alloycars. As for stealing intellectual property, I don't know of any replica builder outside of Kirkham or Superformance who hasn't taken pictures, run 3-D scans, acquired drawings and other intellectual property belonging to SAI to make their replicas from, and without SAI's explicit permission to do so. Yes, this forum is an advertising hub for replica builders and motor builders alike - all participate and that is a good thing as it helps "the customer" make an informed decision.

What you witnessed here is a "pile on" mentality that this forum has evolved into. It just takes one perceived leader and the blind followers will hop on the bandwagon. With time you will start to get a feel for the characters of some of the Club Cobra members. I continue to laugh that one of the most vocal detractors of Alloycars regarding "misleading info" (G-Pete), has a Shelby American Inc. manufacturer's plate riveted to the dash of his mustang donor 289.



As for mrmustang (Bill S.), 24/7 surveillance of anything posted here and who knows where else. I found it surprising that as knowledgeable as Bill is on the subject of cobras, that he would turn a blind eye to successful replica manufacturers adept at reverse engineering and single out Alloycars a startup. They are all birds of a feather, it's just some are better at hiding the truth than others.

Bill, the world is a fascinating place, leave the keyboard once in a while and check it out.

Then we come to our super moderator Jamo -

Originally Posted by Jamo

I don't see that...the member "Alloycars" begat the problems with the threads I had to monitor/close and his responses lead to his departure.

I think it's time for you leave this thread and not post in any others involving this mfg for awhile...seems to me you're own comments (as in this thread) have instigated some issues.

Well first, the Alloycars departure was done by their own volition -

Originally Posted by Alloycars
"Ok, its getting off the objective as I already predicted together with other good sensed members who contacted me already by email.
If someone has good faith and want to participate this project is very welcome and I can be contacted over email. I will see also how to open a blog on my website about us and those projects.
There is one thing I am keeping following:

"A mans character is not defined by talking, its defined by what he has accomplished in his life"

So I will not waste my precious time here. You had your chance..

Good speed"

Your response to this was -
"... If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...well, to be blunt, you're a dick.
Gone forever and a day."

As a super moderator I expected at least some class from you, but then again, if one is to drive a discussion forum into the toilet might as well be from the top. Too bad you don't pull a page from recent Paris news, 3.7 million people "get it" regarding basic freedom of speech principles, you apparently don't.

In the end you will find Alloycars is the company they say they are, will provide a rebody option for current FFR owners, offer new FFR buyers an option to order a FFR chassis and go with their aluminum body ... or just buy a complete Alloycars turnkey MKV for $5k less than a Kirkham roller. In spite of yourselves, the cobra world will benefit tremendously from this when Alloycars injects their products into the market.

It's been an interesting experience, and not without some high points, but no longer an objective place to voice an opinion, so time to move on. For those who have been helpful to me I am indebted and appreciate the info you have shared.

Go ahead Jamo, spin up some nonsense to save a little face, I'm already gone.
.

[mikeinatlanta]

MrNobody: No offense, but your first indication was me and others telling you. Had you been a little less defensive and posted some of the requested info, you could have known much earlier. Same goes for alloycars. Had they been a little less defensive, they would have quickly learned what they had. In fact, look at the old thread and you will see where they were in fact told. Think of all the arguing and negativity that could have been saved.

In regards to the mustang II suspension, I'll assume that is a typo, however, bolting a MKII suspension onto a MKIV would negate the suspension geometry gains from the updated chassis. Yes they will bolt on, but you would be reversing what you just spent considerable money to gain.

Fact is that aside from the body you don't want, the MKIV has little to offer that would justify spending money on it. You would be way ahead to rebody the MKII and take care of any upgrades while the body is off.

Last thing and I'll bow out unless you ask for information. It isn't lost on me and I'll assume others that you have been unwilling to post a single picture or answer a single specific about your car. While you most certainly have your right to absolute privacy, the attempts get information while providing none, combined with some of the defensiveness does raise suspicion. Regardless, if you need a hand on anything just let me know.

Good luck to you on the venture

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta

MrNobody: No offense, but your first indication was me and others telling you. Had you been a little less defensive and posted some of the requested info, you could have know much earlier. Same goes for alloycars. Had they been a little less defensive, they would have quickly learned what they had. In fact, look at the old thread and you will see where they were in fact told. Think of all the arguing and negativity that could have been saved.

In regards to the mustang II suspension, I'll assume that is a typo, however, bolting a MKII suspension onto a MKIV would negate the suspension geometry gains from the updated chassis. Yes they will bolt on, but you would be reversing what you just spent considerable money to gain.

Fact is that aside from the body you don't want, the MKIV has little to offer that would justify spending money on it. You would be way ahead to rebody the MKII and take care of any upgrades while the body is off.

Last thing and I'll bow out unless you ask for information. It isn't lost on me and I'll assume others that you have been unwilling to post a single picture or answer a single specific about your car. While you most certainly have your right to absolute privacy, the attempts get information while providing none, combined with some of the defensiveness does raise suspension. Regardless, if you need a hand on anything just let me know.

Good luck to you on the venture

Sound advice and well said. I hope the interested parties - whomever they may be - really pay attention to this.

[mikeinatlanta]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Sound advice and well said. I hope the interested parties - whomever they may be - really pay attention to this.

Except the spelling. Pay no attention to the spelling.