Misconceptions

[REAL 1]

Kirkam's are not included in my definition of chaff.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by 4pipes

Evan, does your wheat have any Kirkham DNA?

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Kirkam's are not included in my definition of chaff.

Is that because you are driving one with a CSX number plate attached to it

[Bernica]

This thread just keeps grinding on!

I for one am grateful for what I have and never try to misrepresent it. It is what it is and doesn't try to be anything else...a CSX4000 glass car.
But I have heard my share of misconceptions. I always just listen and be polite.

I have been told the following at a few events:

That's really an AC. (no, it's not)
That's a Mustang with a Kit body (no, it's not)
The real originals were made of steel before aluminum (no, they weren't)
It's not a slab-side, so it's a kit car (no, not true)
You don't have leaf springs, so it's not real (well...)
The 427's were a big failure and took Shelby down (ok, you go with that)
They didn't have disc brakes back then (well, yes they did)
If it was real, it would have a gas cap in the center (OK, thanks)
If it was real, it would be in light blue or red (OK, thanks)

The list goes on and it's usually someone trying to show his wife or girlfriend how much they know about cars, so I just let them run.

The comments I get from folks like Gary Patterson (SAI) or Lance Stander (SPF) carry much more weight to me.

[Tim7139]

When in doubt, the good old free market tells you everything you need to know. There were a few real Cobras made in the 60's worth serious money and then there are countless versions of "not". I don't care if it' made from glass, carbon, alloy or tarpaper or whose bull**** rationalization of " after the fact, it's in the book" yada yada yada. You have a " not". If it was otherwise it would be valued much closer the original cars, call it a not plus or double plus.
There are nots, not minus', not plus' . And they will always be something other than what we may secretly wish them to be.
I have what I have, because, more than anything else, it captures the embodyment of what these cars were, now operationally better, all at a fair price, with a small dose of principle preservation( maybe) and they're kind of fun.
You want 4 wheel penis envy, buy a ferrari becauce unless you got a real bragging rights 1965 million dollar example, we're all, ALL, me included, in the somewhat shallow end of the pool here folks.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Bernica

This thread just keeps grinding on!

Don't worry, this one will soon die out and another one will rise like the Phoenix bird from the ashes to take its place.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Is that because you are driving one with a CSX number plate attached to it

Correcto...and the Originals are ACs with a Shelby plate attached to it.

[Tommy]

OK, I admit that my original post on this thread was asking people to behave in a way that is contrary to human nature. That came to me as I noted that the debate it inspired has come down to the usual, “Mine is better than yours,” and “No it’s not!” It turns out this behavior is well documented and described by a concept called “Social Identify Theory.”

A classic example of social identity is when a person chooses to be a fan of a sports team, for example the Alabama Crimson Tide football team. The person may or may not have ever set foot in Tuscaloosa, but they come to identify with the team and view its successes and setbacks as their own. As people like the feeling of success more than setbacks, the teams that accumulate the largest number of otherwise unassociated fans are those with the longest history of winning performances.

An important aspect of social identity is efforts by fans to make their team look better than others. An unfortunate side effect of this is that many fans feel that they can make their team look better by making the other teams looks worse. This is why it hard for the fans of Alabama’s arch rival to cheer for the Tide even when a Tide victory would benefit both teams.

I believe much of what we have seen between Evan and many others is a simple case of social identity behavior. Each of us, myself included, has associated with a brand of car that looks like a Shelby Cobra and was manufactured after 1970 (henceforth referred to as a Cobra replica). Every time one of us says something positive about the brand we identify with, all the others see that as an effort to diminish the brand they identify with. The common response is to attempt to diminish the brand of the offending person. If we were arguing about sports teams, we might get to settle it for a few weeks at the end of each season. But as there is no objective way to declare a winning brand of Cobra replica, we are left with endless arguments that will never be won.

So the bottom line is this. I withdraw my request that people stop claiming their favorite brand of Cobra replica is better than all the others. I think it’s a stupid thing for them to do, but it would be even stupider for me to think they could ever change. We are only human after all.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Tommy

OK, I admit that my original post on this thread was asking people to behave in a way that is contrary to human nature. That came to me as I noted that the debate it inspired has come down to the usual, “Mine is better than yours,” and “No it’s not!” It turns out this behavior is well documented and described by a concept called “Social Identify Theory.”

A classic example of social identity is when a person chooses to be a fan of a sports team, for example the Alabama Crimson Tide football team. The person may or may not have ever set foot in Tuscaloosa, but they come to identify with the team and view its successes and setbacks as their own. As people like the feeling of success more than setbacks, the teams that accumulate the largest number of otherwise unassociated fans are those with the longest history of winning performances.

An important aspect of social identity is efforts by fans to make their team look better than others. An unfortunate side effect of this is that many fans feel that they can make their team look better by making the other teams looks worse. This is why it hard for the fans of Alabama’s arch rival to cheer for the Tide even when a Tide victory would benefit both teams.

I believe much of what we have seen between Evan and many others is a simple case of social identity behavior. Each of us, myself included, has associated with a brand of car that looks like a Shelby Cobra and was manufactured after 1970 (henceforth referred to as a Cobra replica). Every time one of us says something positive about the brand we identify with, all the others see that as an effort to diminish the brand they identify with. The common response is to attempt to diminish the brand of the offending person. If we were arguing about sports teams, we might get to settle it for a few weeks at the end of each season. But as there is no objective way to declare a winning brand of Cobra replica, we are left with endless arguments that will never be won.

So the bottom line is this. I withdraw my request that people stop claiming their favorite brand of Cobra replica is better than all the others. I think it’s a stupid thing for them to do, but it would be even stupider for me to think they could ever change. We are only human after all.

Correct. What is better to you not necessarily better to me. Like I said to begin with define "better".

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... Hey, Joe, what do you own again? You didn't say. Pics please.

Already asked and already answered. Seems that is your default question when you run out of the BS. Read SLOWLY and try to understand chaffee.

How do you handle the questions?

Choke on it.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Already asked and already answered. Seems that is your default question when you run out of the BS. Read SLOWLY and try to understand chaffee.

How do you handle the questions?

Choke on it.

Gimmie a post number. Vaguely recall it. Not that memorable.

My my aren't we getting a little testy. Hit a nerve?

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Gimmie a post number. Vaguely recall it. Not that memorable.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer either, that's a hot link to the post.

[mikeinatlanta]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer either, that's a hot link to the post.

denial keeps him from seeing the link.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta

denial keeps him from seeing the link.

It's called "hysterical blindness"

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer either, that's a hot link to the post.

Thanks for leading me by the hand on that "hot link" thingy...got it! Seems I know as much about computers and "hot links" as you do about legal decisions and holdings vs. dicta.

So how does it feel that "not the sharpest knife in the drawer" has a gorgeous Shelby Cobra he can actually drive and not just a "chassis" sitting on the floor? Sucks for you! BTW this "chassis on the floor" can we see pics? Whose chassis is it? Please tell us all about it.

Cheers!

[Joe's Garage]

Maybe there is a lesson in that, share what you have (pics & info) privately through PMs and email, then the critics have nothing to work with. Don't get me wrong, I think most CC members are good peeps, it's the select few not in it for the hobby that are the problem, already have one blow hard chompin' at the bit to see my chaff chassis

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Maybe there is a lesson in that, share what you have (pics & info) privately through PMs and email, then the critics have nothing to work with. Don't get me wrong, I think most CC members are good peeps, it's the select few not in it for the hobby that are the problem, already have one blow hard chompin' at the bit to see my chaff chassis

That's funny, I thought you were the blow hard. I guess it depends on your definition of "blowhard". Kinda like it depends on you definition of what's "better"

From one blow hard to another still waiting for those pics. Post up!!!

[keezling]

In my simple world powered by my simple mind the question "who's is better" will always be answered by putting 'em side by side on the road and whoever gets to the (pick a landmark) first has the better car. Simple!

[Joe's Garage]

Evan is so far off the reservation does it really matter? Note he has equated the original 60's cobras to the continuations in #1. One could logically assume the man has lost his mind, all that remains are the musings of a babbling idiot.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Evan is so far off the reservation does it really matter? Note he has equated the original 60's cobras to the continuations in #1. One could logically assume the man has lost his mind, all that remains are the musings of a babbling idiot.

Again, another example of reading into what I said in #1 and attributing me with saying something I didn't say. But alas, not surprising from this site and especially from the virulent strain of nastiness responsible for this particular effort.

I'll apply a little CC interpretive technic here as to his statements as he interprets mine....here goes.....So he assumes I lost my mind and all that will remain are his musings as a babbling idiot.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

This whole thread and the fact I had a very bad experience way back in the early 80's with Street Beast Co. is the sole reason I don't own a Cobra of some sorts and never will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love em and wanted one since 1970 when there was a red 3000 series street car sitting under a pecan tree for a year with a "for sale" sign on the windshield ($3,500.00)(a few blocks from my house) but as a 15 year old kid that didn't have 2 nickels to rub together it could have been 3 million dollars.......

Instead, I did a ground up restoration on a 65 fastback and have driven it every chance I get since the early 90's and enjoy it more today than the first year I had it on the road.........

David