Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[Joe's Garage]

An interesting read regarding recent history of the replica wars. I missed this earlier, seems AC Cars did speak up regarding cobra rights. The question I have is did this happen or is ongoing?

Meanwhile John Tojeiro has attached his name to a Cobra replica produced by the British Dax company and Carroll Shelby first started completing "leftover" 1966 Cobra 427 S/C models in 1989 and then introduced his own replica Cobra in 1995 (known as CSX 4000, named after the continuation of the original chassis numbers). Then some bickering started about who owned the rights to what regarding the Cobra, but ultimately the dust settled down and history repeats itself: starting from 2004 Shelby Automobiles will offer the Shelby AC Cobra CSX 1000 (meaning the new chassis numbers will precede the original CSX 2000 (Mk I & II) and CSX 3000 (Mk III) numbers), with chassis and body produced by AC in Britain using the original tools and then shipped over to be completed by Shelby in the US. A car conceived more than 50 years ago and still touching the hearts of car enthusiasts; the characteristics of a true classic.

AC Shelby Cobra: the serpent icon - page 6 of 7

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

An interesting read regarding recent history of the replica wars. I missed this earlier, seems AC Cars did speak up regarding cobra rights. The question I have is did this happen or is ongoing?

Meanwhile John Tojeiro has attached his name to a Cobra replica produced by the British Dax company and Carroll Shelby first started completing "leftover" 1966 Cobra 427 S/C models in 1989 and then introduced his own replica Cobra in 1995 (known as CSX 4000, named after the continuation of the original chassis numbers). Then some bickering started about who owned the rights to what regarding the Cobra, but ultimately the dust settled down and history repeats itself: starting from 2004 Shelby Automobiles will offer the Shelby AC Cobra CSX 1000 (meaning the new chassis numbers will precede the original CSX 2000 (Mk I & II) and CSX 3000 (Mk III) numbers), with chassis and body produced by AC in Britain using the original tools and then shipped over to be completed by Shelby in the US. A car conceived more than 50 years ago and still touching the hearts of car enthusiasts; the characteristics of a true classic.

AC Shelby Cobra: the serpent icon - page 6 of 7

The CSX1000 cars have also been discussed in a separate dedicated topic, but having seen three of them in person, they are without a doubt the most perfect looking Cobras you will ever see. The craftsmanship in the alloy body is simply flawless. I've never seen a fiberglass (or carbon fiber, mine) that didn't have some little flaw that would shouw up in just the right light, but those 1000 alloy cars. Wow. An owner pipes in here occasionally.

[REAL 1]

Ulysis Nardins are beautiful too.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Ulysis Nardins are beautiful too.

Some nice models, but many over the top with graphics and colors for my taste.

[4pipes]

Ahhhh. This is more fun than arguing over Cobra authenticity! I have two Pateks that I acquired in 1985 and 1992. The original Nautilus and the 3940 Perptual. No where's near the size or yours, Jamo, but beautiful non the less.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by 4pipes

Ahhhh. This is more fun than arguing over Cobra authenticity! I have two Pateks that I acquired in 1985 and 1992. The original Nautilus and the 3940 Perptual. No where's near the size or yours, Jamo, but beautiful non the less.

Yup, those are Yugoslavian Timex replicas, right?

Buffett would've been happy now if he bought those two when you did. Exceptional time pieces, especially those two models (I'd have a tough time choosing).

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Some nice models, but many over the top with graphics and colors for my taste.

Yea, agree but I like some of the simpler models. Really want to get a square or rectangular face model.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yea, agree but I like some of the simpler models. Really want to get a square or rectangular face model.

I'm not a big fan of the Bentley line (a little too much "stuff"), but there is the Flying B Chrono thats just a bit simpler/clean than the rest of the line. I think they throw in a new Bentley too (I could be wrong).

BTW, there are many fabulous places to view/buy the great watches. The one downstairs at the Venetian comes to mind...Armenian salesman there is pushing me to get a certain Portuguese model. Another is the shop next to the Petrossian cavier bar in the lobby at the Bellagio.

But IMO, the bestest place on the planet is at Harrod's. Several years ago, they created the amazing watch shop off the food court. A central area with some nice brands, with halls shooting off in all directions...each a specific brand's factory boutique. I spent hours in there and somehow walked out without buying a damn thing. Thanksbetogod...the dollar wasn't assactly doing too well against the pound that year.

That all being said, it's usually best to find a place that carries a multitude of brands and do business with them over time...easier to do trades with someplace that knows you. For me, that's Shrieve & Co. off of Union Square in San Francisco (moving).

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by Jamo

I'm not a big fan of the Bentley line (a little too much "stuff"), but there is the Flying B Chrono thats just a bit simpler/clean than the rest of the line. I think they throw in a new Bentley too (I could be wrong).

BTW, there are many fabulous places to view/buy the great watches. The one downstairs at the Venetian comes to mind...Armenian salesman there is pushing me to get a certain Portuguese model. Another is the shop next to the Petrossian cavier bar in the lobby at the Bellagio.

But IMO, the bestest place on the planet is at Harrod's. Several years ago, they created the amazing watch shop off the food court. A central area with some nice brands, with halls shooting off in all directions...each a specific brand's factory boutique. I spent hours in there and somehow walked out without buying a damn thing. Thanksbetogod...the dollar wasn't assactly doing too well against the pound that year.

That all being said, it's usually best to find a place that carries a multitude of brands and do business with them over time...easier to do trades with someplace that knows you. For me, that's Shrieve & Co. off of Union Square in San Francisco (moving).

Now you have me interested. What IWC are you looking at. I just sold my Portugese 100 year commemorative. When they came out, they could'nt give them away, now quite collectible.
You ever talk to O.J. on the Panieri's. You need an East coast connection for occaisional "close out" prices.

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yea, agree but I like some of the simpler models. Really want to get a square or rectangular face model.

You like that shape, you should take a serious look at some of the LeCoultre's, particularly the reverso. For years I wore a Reverso Sun Moon which was a great watch, very classy, understated, with a bulletproof in house movement, crystal back. Now, a Franck Muller is my everyday watch. Just a straight 2852 on a strap, but it looks nice and works with a suit and tie.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

The CSX1000 cars have also been discussed in a separate dedicated topic, but having seen three of them in person, they are without a doubt the most perfect looking Cobras you will ever see. The craftsmanship in the alloy body is simply flawless. I've never seen a fiberglass (or carbon fiber, mine) that didn't have some little flaw that would shouw up in just the right light, but those 1000 alloy cars. Wow. An owner pipes in here occasionally.

Thanks for the info, cool.