Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[Jamo]

Yup...stories.



Obviously McQueen wanted to wear a cool watch like Siffert and the other guys when he was chopping the top off a perfectly good GT 40 and mounting the great grandfather of GoPros for some track footage, so several watches were brought to the set for the on-screen drivers to wear, and he grabbed a Monaco.

Today's models are dressed in Gulf colors or white dials/subdials and all kinds of other motifs. This was just one of the Heuer dress models. Seemed huge when I got it...pre-Panerai.

I'm sorta like the guy in the old milk commercial trying to say "Aaron Burr"...when I put LeMans on, I wear this, Apollo 13 and its the Speedy, Sahara and it's the Doxa, etc.

Wife thinks I'm nuts...that's ok (I am).

Took that pic with this...before digital, this was my small carry camera. Film was asspensive, and even more asspensive to process (only place was in New Jersey) but by golly you could blow it up big...perfect for top secret documents or spy satellite imagery.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

The problem is the use of the word "genuine" unless immediately followed by replica as it implies originality just like "real" or "REAL 1".
Synonyms (genuine): authentic, real, actual, original, bona fide, true, veritable; attested, undisputed; the real McCoy, honest-to-goodness, honest-to-God, the real thing etc.

True. That is a problem with perception. Merely the fact that using the word real may imply something or not depending on what is being asked or merely being stated factually doesn't change what it is. So all depends on what your definition of "real" is. If your definition and pool of candidates is limited to '62 to '68 the Continuation Shelby's are out.

If your definition includes originals and continuation Shelby's as does mine and the Registryi they're in but you should provide the clarification to those that inquire what generation the car belongs to. There is no doubt I own an undisputed, bona fide, authentic, true etc Shelby Cobra. Can't be disputed. Period. I justKe clear what generation or series it belongs to. Easy.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

There is no doubt I own an undisputed, bona fide, authentic, true etc Shelby Cobra. Can't be disputed. Period.

It's definitely a genuine or true REPLICA of a Shelby Cobra, being reproduced by a successor company to Shelby American, which started reproducing them in 1995.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

It's definitely a genuine or true REPLICA of a Shelby Cobra, being reproduced by a successor company to Shelby American, which started reproducing them in 1995.

While it is a replica of the original series it is also a Shelby Cobra. The car replicates the original Shelby Cobra as it must to be the same car. New. Old. Both nearly identical from SAI or is successor. See the World Registry. To say it is not a Shelby Cobra because it replicates the original series is in noting the obvious fact of what it is.

See Registry. It's all set forth very clearly.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

No it is a Shelby Cobra. The car replicates the original Shelby Cobra as it must to be the same car. New. Old. Both nearly identical from SAI or is successor.

"Nearly identical" is relative. The genuine Shelby Cobra replicas that began production in 1995, like yours, don't use the same materials as used in the 1960's. None of the steel, aluminum, interior, etc. is the same as the 1960's Shelby Cobras. But the CSX4000 shape and appearance is roughly approximate though.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

See the World Registry.

The Registry also lists Kirkham Cobras as "real" Cobras. You can draw all the parallels you want with AC, but as much as I love my Kirkham and the Kirkham company, they're not AC.

The Registry will change. I'm counting on it. Disaffected SAAC members will lead an uprising.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

The Registry also lists Kirkham Cobras as "real" Cobras. You can draw all the parallels you want with AC, but as much as I love my Kirkham and the Kirkham company, they're not AC.

The Registry will change. I'm counting on it. Disaffected SAAC members will lead an uprising.

Glad Ned sees the value in simplifying what has turned out to be a real mess, thanks for sharing - I didn't realize he had tagged my post.

I have a feeling one particular "Ron" may also feel the same way, the time is ripe for a SAAC uprising Once I learned the scope of the registry's reach my immediate thought was owners of originals were seriously marginalized.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Once I learned the scope of the registry's reach my immediate thought was owners of originals were seriously marginalized.

Well, if you compare the 1987 SAAC Registry and the most recent version, all the modern era reproductions (SPF and CSX Daytona Coupes, Shelby and Kirkham Cobras and SPF GT40's) really have bloated what was once just one book, but now takes several humongous books.

You can make the modern era reproductions look similar, with sideoilers, toploaders, original Smith gauges, NOS this and NOS that, but the fact of the matter is that if you're willing TODAY to plunk down $160,000 (ish) for an alloy Shelby body or $100,000 for Kirkham body, you too, can call your Cobra a Cobra. Well, at least once you go through the PITA of emission testing exemptions and inspections, and hope your Cobra replica passes muster.

The entry fee for a 1960's Shelby Cobra is roughly around a $1,000,000 +/- and you can immediately drive off into the sunset on any road in America, if you so choose.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Glad Ned sees the value in simplifying what has turned out to be a real mess, thanks for sharing - I didn't realize he had tagged my post.

I have a feeling one particular "Ron" may also feel the same way, the time is ripe for a SAAC uprising Once I learned the scope of the registry's reach my immediate thought was owners of originals were seriously marginalized.

Well, SAAC can change the Registry if they choose, don't really care, but it doesn't change the fact that the Continuation Shelbys are genuine Shelby Cobras. The current Registry recognizes the obvious and is factually correct. So they would have to basically say, hey we were all wrong and explain why they were wrong. fine if they want to lose credibility by denying reality.

They may make original owners happy and non Shelby owners happy who will pile on and then swear allegiance to the Registry and then cite it non stop but it will alienate a lot of other members who own current gen Shelbys. Owners of originals shouldn't feel marginalized. They own originals. Clearly the brass ring. They just want to make sure no one else is recognized as owning genuine Cobras. Petty and selfish.

In the end, my title clearly says what it is and so does my id chassis plate. I don't need anyone else or any other club or organization to tell me what it is. The Registry deciding my car isn't a Shelby Cobra would be to deny the obvious facts.Just saying the 40th World Registry has it correct and fairly and logically dealt with the issue.