Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I don't think they'll (SAAC) have to admit to anything that haven't already incorporated into the Registry. Some humans had a marketing meeting and it went awry, and instead of "true replica", these falable humans decided on "continuation". "They'll sell better that way", they rejoiced.

SAAC and SAI can just have a mutual (or not mutual) parting of the ways. SAAC will track the originals and Shelby and SPF can handle tracking of the replicas. What's the big deal. Don't make things harder than they have to be. SAAC just disassociates itself with the modern era Shelbys, Kirkhams and SPF's. However, I highly doubt that any organization can do the brilliant job that the SAAC Registrars do. Good luck there.

As for titles, CA calls them all SPCNS or Specially Constructed Vehicles. States can call them whatever they want to call them. Every state is different. If CSX4206 were to get sold here in CA and someone is able to register it, though highly doubtful, since it's a completed kit car that cannot meet current safety and emissions requirements, then CA will call it an SPCNS.

You are mixing things up. Not going to bother trying to straighten it out since it is clearly pointless with you. Very simply the current Registry is accurate and correct in it's analysis and definitions.Your statements are half truths as to what the Registry states and misleading.

Those reading this are free to a argee with you. That's fine but if they want to know what the World Registry says I would urge them to read it for themselves unless they are content with the skewed versions of it from you. I could quote chapter and verse here and it would make 0 difference.

Hey if SAAC wants to dump the Continuation Shelbys from the World Registry that's up to them. They certainly won't need to have a Registar for them any more. They can toss all that info in the garbage. If they don't want to bother keeping track of the second gen Shelbys that's no skin off my nose or likely any other Continuation owner's nose. Moreover if they decided they no longer were going recognize the Continuation Shelbys as they should be I.e. True Shelby Cobras my bet would be their owners would lose any interest in providing them any information on their cars or membership. Last SAAC convention saw maybe 10 original cars and didn't seem that well attended. Seems they would want to be attracting new members and growing interest not alienating it. But hey, that's their business.

Yeah SAAC could decide just to keep track of the originals and exclude the second gen Shelby Cobra and let Shelby keep track of the "Continuation Cobras." Shelby Americans view of it for sure. They should then change there name to TOOSAAC (The Original Only Shelby Amer. club).

As far as Kirkhams are concern I gave you my view of it and the Registrys. In the end I don't own a Kirkham. You do. Couldn't care less what SAAC does with them and you are free to see you car as the largest fake pos on the planet. matters not one wit to me.

As far as how California or any state claaaifys any of these cars is completely valueless to the issue.

Even the newbie ASO544 stated it simply and correctly unlike the detractors here. Even he gets it.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You are mixing things up. Not going to bother trying to straighten it out since it is clearly pointless with you. Very simply the current Registry is accurate and correct in it's analysis and definitions.Your statements are half truths as to what the Registry states and misleading.

Those reading this are free to a argee with you. That's fine but if they want to know what the World Registry says I would urge them to read it for themselves unless they are content with the skewed versions of it from you. I could quote chapter and verse here and it would make 0 difference.

Hey if SAAC wants to dump the Continuation Shelbys from the World Registry that's up to them. They certainly won't need to have a Registar for them any more. They can toss all that info in the garbage. If they don't want to bother keeping track of the second gen Shelbys that's no skin off my nose or likely any other Continuation owner's nose. Moreover if they decided they no longer were going recognize the Continuation Shelbys as they should be I.e. True Shelby Cobras my bet would be their owners would lose any interest in providing them any information on their cars or membership. Last SAAC convention saw maybe 10 original cars and didn't seem that well attended. Seems they would want to be attracting new members and growing interest not alienating it. But hey, that's their business.

Yeah SAAC could decide just to keep track of the originals and exclude the second gen Shelby Cobra and let Shelby keep track of the "Continuation Cobras." Shelby Americans view of it for sure. They should then change there name to TOOSAAC (The Original Only Shelby Amer. club).

As far as Kirkhams are concern I gave you my view of it and the Registrys. In the end I don't own a Kirkham. You do. Couldn't care less what SAAC does with them and you are free to see you car as the largest fake pos on the planet. matters not one wit to me.

As far as how California or any state claaaifys any of these cars is completely valueless to the issue.

Even the newbie ASO544 stated it simply and correctly unlike the detractors here. Even he gets it.

Evan there aren't any half truths in what I say. You say that garbage to save face. I quote directly from a page in the Registry. Just the whole truth from me. You keep saying Registry this and Registry that but you quote nothing. And define nothing. You just say "See the Registry." That's just plain BS. I quote the Registry nearly verbatim. So quit telling everyone here your half truths.

Bottom line is that it's 30-50 years later, your Shelby is being reproduced with different parts by a different company. You own a genuine replica of a Shelby. Even the SAAC Cobra Registrar agrees as do many many others within SAAC.

[fordracing65]

Like I said, what a douche...

[Jaydee]

Have you pulled out the antenna to 'test' it?
Larry

No it hasn't got one. They replaced it with a tiny compass.
It weighs 225 grams. bloody heavy.
I also have genuine citizen divers with dive logger, amongst others. Love my watches.
JD

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Evan there aren't any half truths in what I say. You say that garbage to save face. I quote directly from a page in the Registry. Just the whole truth from me. You keep saying Registry this and Registry that but you quote nothing. And define nothing. You just say "See the Registry." That's just plain BS. I quote the Registry nearly verbatim. So quit telling everyone here your half truths.

Bottom line is that it's 30-50 years later, your Shelby is being reproduced with different parts by a different company. You own a genuine replica of a Shelby. Even the SAAC Cobra Registrar agrees as do many many others within SAAC.

I own a genuine replica of a Shelby? !!!! Holy cannoli! I thought I owned a Shelby? I'm so confused.

You speak in half truths because you aren't accurately stating what the Registry States.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I own a genuine replica of a Shelby? !!!! Holy cannoli! I thought I owned a Shelby? I'm so confused.

You speak in half truths because you aren't accurately stating what the Registry States.

I quoted the Registry on the previous page. The registry uses terms like "true replica" and "Cobra-like" for any Cobra not produced in the 1960's. So I like those terms and will use them when your car is referenced. Yes, and genuine replica too, since your car is a replica and replicas cannot be genuine.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Very simply the current Registry is accurate and correct in it's analysis and definitions.

Sure page 30 separates the definition of a "Kit Car or Replica" from the Shelby and Kirkham, but the definition of "Kit Car or Replica" actually fits the Shelby and Kirkham replicas quite well, the definition being "Any car with a body which approximates the original Cobra shape..."

The Kirkham and Shelby replicas fit this definition nicely too.

But, there's more...

Page 708 states "This left true replicas-like Shelby's CSX4000's-to come up with another name to describe themselves. Because he did not want his cars devalued by using the term 'replica', Shelby chose 'Component Cobra'. This separated his cars from all the rest, the riff-raff..."

Or how about page 23 "...presently there are more Cobra-like vehicles being built, some built by Carroll Shelby himself..."

And later on the same page (page 23): "Any type of Cobra-like vehicle, from CSX3000 completion cars to the CSX 4000/7000/8000 component Cobras, to AC MKIVs. to Kirkham Cobras..."

There, I'll quote chapter and verse, since you NEVER do. Skewed my a$$. There's enough references to Shelby and his replicas or Cobra-like cars than you care to admit.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

In the end, my title clearly says what it is and so does my id chassis plate. I don't need anyone else or any other club or organization to tell me what it is.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

As far as how California or any state claaaifys any of these cars is completely valueless to the issue.

I only mentioned title classifications, because seemed to get some level of satisfaction that your state classifies your car as a Shelby Cobra. WhoopDeeDoo! Shelby Cobra replicas owners in CA gets their cars classified as SPCNS. WhoopDeeDoo! States can call them chimpanzees, if all I care, doesn't make it anything but a replica.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... The World Registry, a world wide recognized authoritative text agrees with my analysis and states hand in hand what I have said for years.

I was ahead of the Registry in this regard ...

Good to know, I hope they mentioned you in the credits section as the man who came up with the Registry "outline". By default that makes you on board with the Registry's definitions and classifications true?

Originally Posted by RodKnock

... Page 708 states "This left true replicas-like Shelby's CSX4000's-to come up with another name to describe themselves. Because he did not want his cars devalued by using the term 'replica', Shelby chose 'Component Cobra'. This separated his cars from all the rest, the riff-raff..."

Or how about page 23 "...presently there are more Cobra-like vehicles being built, some built by Carroll Shelby himself..."

And later on the same page (page 23): "Any type of Cobra-like vehicle, from CSX3000 completion cars to the CSX 4000/7000/8000 component Cobras, to AC MKIVs. to Kirkham Cobras..." ...

I agree they got it right too, we're good here, carry on good peeps, carry on.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Good to know, I hope they mentioned you in the credits section as the man who came up with the Registry "outline". By default that makes you on board with the Registry's definitions and classifications true?



I agree they got it right too, we're good here, carry on good peeps, carry on.

No I wasn't mentioned in the credits but I was ahead of the issue and got it right.

Again, Rodknock you are taking snipets out of context but I'lll let you keep doing that if it makes you feel better. Like someone here said if you squint hard enough I guess it says what you would like it to say rather than what it does say when you read it in context and full.

But hey, whatever makes you happy.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Again, Rodknock you are taking snipets out of context but I'lll let you keep doing that if it makes you feel better. Like someone here said if you squint hard enough I guess it says what you would like it to say rather than what it does say when you read it in context and full.

Nope not out of context. Right there in the Registry and I guarantee it was written that way, with references to a Shelby CSX4000 as a "true replica" and "Cobra-like," for obvious reasons. Because it is.

Actually, I think you have to analyze everything all together to understand what was written by the volunteers at SAAC. Why write it like that in the 1st place? Because it is what it is. A genuine Shelby Cobra replica.