Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[REAL 1]

Keep trying.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Keep trying.

Ditto.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Ditto.

You haven't grasped this yet. I don't need to try to "establish" or prove anything The facts, law and the Registry do that for me.

You guys are spinning so much to trying prove your ridiculous points you make Whirling Dervishes look like they are standing still.

Carry on.

P.S. the only reason I respond to you is that you at least have the decency not to personally attack like a juvenile child. Kudos to you for that at least. The others, I don't even read their posts any longer. Waste of time.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... The facts, law and the Registry do that for me ...

The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.

The Law: Trade Dress ruling per Judge Walsh, the Shelby continuations hold no distinction over the other replicas. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427 S/C with the designation CSX 4000.

The Registry: Continuations are very cobra like and true replicas.

The Facts, The Law, The Registry.

Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done!

[jhv48]

Wanna bet?

[fordracing65]

[quote=Joe's Garage;1366796]The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.

The Law: Trade Dress ruling per Judge Walsh, the Shelby continuations hold no distinction over the other replicas. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427 S/C with the designation CSX 4000.

The Registry: Continuations are very cobra like and true replicas.

The Facts, The Law, The Registry.

Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done![/QUO

If you have a replica CSX what does your title actually say, does it say 1965 or 66 Shelby cobra, I would love to see... The 2 cars that were both CSX cars in AZ for sale, neither had that on the title, SHEBY or FORD, nor did it have the year 1965-66

[CSX4815]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

If you have a replica CSX what does your title actually say, does it say 1965 or 66 Shelby cobra, I would love to see... The 2 cars that were both CSX cars in AZ for sale, neither had that on the title, SHEBY or FORD, nor did it have the year 1965-66

Well... here's my AZ title...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by CSX4815

Well... here's my AZ title...

And in CA, that would considered fraud and if more info is needed in this area, I believe it was the CA Assistant AG (Attorney General), "Mortgester" who used to post here and warn CA Cobra owners about falsifying titles to say a Cobra replica was produced in 1965. Obviously they're not.

In CA, they're all called SPCNS or specially constructed vehicle.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by CSX4815

Well... here's my AZ title...

Why is their no model type on the title, like COBRA...

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.



Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done!

Wrong. My Cobra was registered as a 1965 Shelby Cobra. Would you like to see a copy of the title?

Subtract bada bing.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.

The Law: Trade Dress ruling per Judge Walsh, the Shelby continuations hold no distinction over the other replicas. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427 S/C with the designation CSX 4000.

The Registry: Continuations are very cobra like and true replicas.

The Facts, The Law, The Registry.

Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done!

Move along folks, there's nothing more to see here.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.

The Law: Trade Dress ruling per Judge Walsh, the Shelby continuations hold no distinction over the other replicas. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427 S/C with the designation CSX 4000.

The Registry: Continuations are very cobra like and true replicas.

The Facts, The Law, The Registry.

Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done!

Move along folks, there's nothing to see here anymore.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Move along folks, there's nothing to see here anymore.

Correcto!

Read the World Registry. It's all in there.

You know their desperate when they start referencing NJ DMV. Omg!!! I literally burst out laughing on that one.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Correcto!

Read the World Registry. It's all in there.

And it's all right here, from The Curator of Genuine Shelby Cobras, for everyone too.....

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Regrettably, it is the Shelby organization that committed the fraud, not the buyers of their product. One has to wonder about marketing tactics that beg the law to look the other way so cars could be sold as something they clearly were not. And this is not a case of not being able to say nice things about my old friend Carroll - it's simply stating the facts.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Evan, ...That your car is a copy is not being debated, but a copy of what? The recreation that preceded it.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

The facts remain as follows: The cars that created the Cobra mystique - the 998 Cobras referred to as genuine, original, and legitimate - were built in the 1960's by the mutual partnership of AC Cars and Shelby American. Everything that followed was a copy in one form or another. Go down the list and name your brand, from Arntz to Butler to Contemporary, etc - they are all facsimiles of the original, and were marketed as such. Some are pretty good copies while some are less so. Regardless, if your Cobra-like automobile wasn't built in the 60's, it is not one of the 998 original cars, hence it must be something else. Such as a replica of one of the original Cobras. It simply can not be anything else, no matter how many different ways you attempt to spin it.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Tony, the simple fact is that one of the points in the legal battle brought by Shelby against SAAC was his desire to take over the Registry. SAAC fought hard to prevent that from happening. Today, it is SAAC's position that they prefer to be an organization dedicated to the historic Shelbys of the 60's and early 70's, while ceding to the modern Shelby organization control of anything having to do with the later production cars.

Originally Posted by Nedsel

That's pretty much what everyone has acknowledged. The 60's Cobras are the original, authentic Cobras that define the term "real" in most peoples' minds when they ask the question, "Is that a real Cobra?" They are not asking how exact a copy of the 60's cars your car might be; they are asking, "Was it made in the 60's? Hence, is it a real Cobra?"

The next edition of the Registry will in all likelihood look much different than the 2008 version. Thank goodness.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You haven't grasped this yet. I don't need to try to "establish" or prove anything The facts, law and the Registry do that for me.

You guys are spinning so much to trying prove your ridiculous points you make Whirling Dervishes look like they are standing still.

Carry on.

P.S. the only reason I respond to you is that you at least have the decency not to personally attack like a juvenile child. Kudos to you for that at least. The others, I don't even read their posts any longer. Waste of time.

Absolutely I don't want to personally attack anyone. That's not me and not my area of expertise.

And the law is not my area of expertise, so I don't cite or interpret decisions, suits, claims, redress, what judges said or meant, etc. I'm not a lawyer. But as I've said a 100 times, and many have already concluded, the modern Shelby Cobra is replica. And replicas can't be genuine, real or authentic. Additionally, I'll rest my hat, as it were, on the references to the car as a replica in the Registry plus Ned Scudder, one of the leading historians of the marque stating its a replica.

The facts, the Registry, Ned, and most of all, logic.