Interesting Article from Hemmings Buyer Guide regarding Current Production Cobras

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

For all those nay-sayers on "CSX" Continuation Series valuations...

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I haven't seen any alloy CSX 4000/6000/7000/8000 for $240,000. If I were Evan, I'd sell at $240,000 all day long and twice on Tuesdays. If you can find any sales publicly verifiable over $200K, please post a link.

Hillbank always has a few for sale asking $160,000-199,0000.

Now the CSX 1000 and CSX Resurrection Series, yes, over $200,000.

Give the Dubai classifieds a shot, you may find some young Sheik's son busted the $200K barrier on an impulse buy.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

For all those nay-sayers on "CSX" Continuation Series valuations...

1962 50th Anniversary Shelby Cobra 289 - Huh?
First onel built in 1912 then?

Should it NOT just be listed as 2012 50th Anniversary Shelby Cobra 289?

Pretty simple - As soon as you put 1962 in the title you're obligated to put "REPLICA" imho.


Either way nice car... love the look of the dual quads!

[Al G]

That $134.2k reference that was given a while back was for a fiberglass car at auction. Evan's aluminum car carries quite a premium over that.

[Blue66]

Do your parents know you have parts in the basement ??? Didn't think you would have room for much with all the bikes and all. Now as far as your pics.. You have been flapping your gums consistently in all these threads.. Others have asked for pics.. Whats the big deal ???? Damm what would you do with a $1000 ?? Mom cash the check for ya ?? Sorry I just can't bet ya because I bought a CSX car an $$$$ is really tight

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Blue66

Do your parents know you have parts in the basement ??? Didn't think you would have room for much with all the bikes and all. Now as far as your pics.. You have been flapping your gums consistently in all these threads.. Others have asked for pics.. Whats the big deal ???? Damm what would you do with a $1000 ?? Mom cash the check for ya ?? Sorry I just can't bet ya because I bought a CSX car an $$$$ is really tight

Way too wordy, all you needed to say was ...
I don't have the balls to back up my big mouth.

Thanks for confirming the obvious

[Blue66]

how about you go WORK on it an when its done we will have a little $1000 grudge race need a time limit though.. 5/6/7 years ???

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Way too wordy, all you needed to say was ...
I don't have the balls to back up my big mouth.

Thanks for confirming the obvious

If I didn't know you already had 256 posts to your name here I would merely ask are if you are always an a$$ or is today just special... but looking at all your prior posts here that answer becomes self evident.

Here's the deal. As of right now new aluminum Shelby's are about 2 years out if you order one. Don't know about Kirkhams. Then maybe another 9 months for a dealer to fit it out.

Billy Andrews of HRE Motorcars is among the most knowledgeable guys regarding Cobras and one of the top restorers in the country. He in fact restored many originals and restored Dr. Gingolds CSX 3133 which is outstanding and won concours awards. The car is stunning.

The fit out for Continuation Cobras varies owner to owner. More varied than original cars as the originals were delivered by Shelby in 1962 to 1968. The original cars have, however, in many cases also morphed from original spec in many cases over the years and in fact many "original" cars don't have much of "original" left in them and vary from how they originally left SAI in the 1960's (which has been in existence since 1962 but dormant from '68 to around 1990s when the Completion series was announced).

Point is with current production Cobras (Continuation Cobras) you have your more common "standard" fit out cars that although appearing to original specs in general many details stray from original. Not that that's bad. Its just how the current production Cobras in major are fitted out by most dealers. They look great and are great but if you want your Shelby to be "as it was" it takes a little more time and effort. It's hard to make it 100% to original spec. Even restoring original cars can be a challenge. Parts costs, availability, restoration etc...

The more you push your car to the "way it was" the more expensive it is. Details are expensive and time consuming.

While my car is likely one of the most accurate to original specs it's not 100%. There are likely cars that are more detailed but I think mine is near the top. Yes, I get busted on my rivet pattern but aside from that it's pretty damn good. But to get a continuation to the level of my continuation car takes time money and effort. For some it may be easier based on their sources etc.. For me it took time. Some don't care about original specs as far as all the details.

While I don't know what my car would sell for since I'm not selling I do know Billy has told me that if I were to sell I could get over $200K. My car has 8400 miles on it. It is not new. It has been well cared for an pampered and never abused. For insurance replacement purposes I had Billy Andrews provide me a build sheet for a new aluminum Continuation series fitted out just as my car with all the details. I did not know where the number would end up when I asked. He knows every detail about my car from the correct radiator tags, seat knobs, SW240s etc...etc..

I received a build sheet totaling $240,000.00. Substantially more (substantially) than I paid for the car 15 years ago. Could I get that for my car? Billy didn't think it was out of the question with the right buyer who wants top Shelby Continuation Cobra today and not 2 1/2 years from now.

Would I sell it for $240K? No. I have no desire or interest in selling it. It would take more for me to sell it. In fact back in 2004 (10 years ago) I had it sold for $145K when I was looking to buy a FGT. I backed out at the last second. Decided to just keep it and buy the FGT anyway. I couldn't part with it.

You know at the end of the day despite all the BS and crap on this cite knocking my Cobra as a "replica' and a "kit" its a Shelby Cobra, its title says Shelby Cobra, it's manufacturer plaque says Shelby American (and not one acquired from Tony Branda and riveted on) and its in the World Registry of Cobras. As someone else said it has prestige, distinction, and mystic that no other car that looks like it has...and that's whether the Shelby is glass or aluminum.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

If I didn't know you already had 256 posts to your name here I would merely ask are if you are always an a$$ or is today just special... but looking at all your prior posts here that answer becomes self evident.

Here's the deal. As of right now new aluminum Shelby's are about 2 years out if you order one. Don't know about Kirkhams. Then maybe another 9 months for a dealer to fit it out.

Billy Andrews of HRE Motorcars is among the most knowledgeable guys regarding Cobras and one of the top restorers in the country. He in fact restored many originals and restored Dr. Gingolds CSX 3133 which is outstanding and won concours awards. The car is stunning.

The fit out for Continuation Cobras varies owner to owner. More varied than original cars as the originals were delivered by Shelby in 1962 to 1968. The original cars have, however, in many cases also morphed from original spec in many cases over the years and in fact many "original" cars don't have much of "original" left in them and vary from how they originally left SAI in the 1960's (which has been in existence since 1962 but dormant from '68 to around 1990s when the Completion series was announced).

Point is with current production Cobras (Continuation Cobras) you have your more common "standard" fit out cars that although appearing to original specs in general many details stray from original. Not that that's bad. Its just how the current production Cobras in major are fitted out by most dealers. They look great and are great but if you want your Shelby to be "as it was" it takes a little more time and effort. It's hard to make it 100% to original spec. Even restoring original cars can be a challenge. Parts costs, availability, restoration etc...

The more you push your car to the "way it was" the more expensive it is. Details are expensive and time consuming.

While my car is likely one of the most accurate to original specs it's not 100%. There are likely cars that are more detailed but I think mine is near the top. Yes, I get busted on my rivet pattern but aside from that it's pretty damn good. But to get a continuation to the level of my continuation car takes time money and effort. For some it may be easier based on their sources etc.. For me it took time. Some don't care about original specs as far as all the details.

While I don't know what my car would sell for since I'm not selling I do know Billy has told me that if I were to sell I could get over $200K. My car has 8400 miles on it. It is not new. It has been well cared for an pampered and never abused. For insurance replacement purposes I had Billy Andrews provide me a build sheet for a new aluminum Continuation series fitted out just as my car with all the details. I did not know where the number would end up when I asked. He knows every detail about my car from the correct radiator tags, seat knobs, SW240s etc...etc..

I received a build sheet totaling $240,000.00. Substantially more (substantially) than I paid for the car 15 years ago. Could I get that for my car? Billy didn't think it was out of the question with the right buyer who wants top Shelby Continuation Cobra today and not 2 1/2 years from now.

Would I sell it for $240K? No. I have no desire or interest in selling it. It would take more for me to sell it. In fact back in 2004 (10 years ago) I had it sold for $145K when I was looking to buy a FGT. I backed out at the last second. Decided to just keep it and buy the FGT anyway. I couldn't part with it.

You know at the end of the day despite all the BS and crap on this cite knocking my Cobra as a "replica' and a "kit" its a Shelby Cobra, its title says Shelby Cobra, it's manufacturer plaque says Shelby American (and not one acquired from Tony Branda and riveted on) and its in the World Registry of Cobras. As someone else said it has prestige, distinction, and mystic that no other car that looks like it has...and that's whether the Shelby is glass or aluminum.

I don't know what your Shelby Cobra replica is worth or how much it would cost to build it, but the source of that information has a conflict of interest. If he wants to keep anyone's business, he might want to give a client a "happy" news/appraisal. Without exposing it to the market, it's all just words.

Why don't you list your car on eBay with an overzealous reserve and see where the final bid comes in? MrMustang is great at spotting shill bids, so no shill bidding.

Also, state titles aren't the arbiters of what you're car is or isn't. In CA, your car would be a SPCNS, not a Shelby Cobra. IT IS A REPLICA, since replicas require special exemption(s) to be registered and legally driven on our US roads in 2015. If it were a genuine 1960's Shelby Cobra, then no special exemption would be necessary.

Let's call a spade a spade. Shall we?

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Al G

That $134.2k reference that was given a while back was for a fiberglass car at auction. Evan's aluminum car carries quite a premium over that.

yes I know.. I do watch the CSX market. Almost considering a CSX 289 car

[Joe's Garage]

You are wanted here, your no reply is speaking volumes
Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

As for the value of your wife's car, not one person has been able to provide a link showing a price over $200K, post 'em up boys if ya got 'em

[REAL 1]

Fortunately for me I have other things to do during the day than focus on responding to some of the non sense here.

As for links for ads for these car the prices vary depending on fit out. I believe some glass Continuation cars sold recently for around $150,000.00.

I do know this a new aluminum rolling chassis is now $160,000.00 with a roughly 2 year wait.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Regrettably, it is the Shelby organization that committed the fraud, not the buyers of their product ...

Throw the registry away, check yourself into a facility that reverses brainwashing.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Throw the registry away, check yourself into a facility that reverses brainwashing.

Another quote taken so far out of context I can undoubtedly conclude you are intentionally trying to twist the facts.

You and a Donkey are also known by another common term.

[RodKnock]

Is that a verifiable sale or is that the dealer asking price?

My Kirkham is also for sale. My asking price is $299,000. It is the "cat's meow." Trust me.

[RodKnock]

Unfortunately, a quick google search has only produced a auction sale back in 2013 for $154,000 including buyer's commission.

$180,000
1962 Shelby CSX Roadster for sale #1368757 | Hemmings Motor News

$190,000
2012 Shelby CSX for sale #1734256 | Hemmings Motor News

Again, just asking prices.

[CompClassics]

RodKnock

I really don't want to get into this bickering battle but the link you provided is to a FIBERGLASS Continuation Cobra with an aluminum engine.

Your link as copied from your post:
For Sale 2012 Shelby 289 Cobra 50th Anniversary Slab Side CSX8964 Convertible | Hillbank Motor Corporation

The asking price for this FIBERGLASS Continuation Cobra with the aluminum engine is $189,990.00

The other two ads you mention 1734256 and 1368757 are also FIBERGLASS Continuation Cobras, links as copied:
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/...x/1734256.html
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/...x/1368757.html

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

RodKnock

I really don't want to get into this bickering battle but the link you provided is to a FIBERGLASS Continuation Cobra with an aluminum engine.

Your link as copied from your post:
For Sale 2012 Shelby 289 Cobra 50th Anniversary Slab Side CSX8964 Convertible | Hillbank Motor Corporation

If you don't want to get into a "bickering battle," then why post here at all?

You're correct, in my haste, I forgot to add that the three examples that I quickly found were not alloy cars.

However, posting a CSX replica asking price of $280,000 and then saying "For all those nay-sayers on "CSX" Continuation Series valuations..." doesn't sound like a person, who's just innocently posting either. As we all know, and see everyday, folks asking ridiculous amounts for all sorts of things. Have you seen the Porsche market?

[CompClassics]

If you are going to post what you believe are relevant facts at least vet them out before you pull the trigger, something about apples and oranges come to mind.

RodKnock
You asked in a previous post for proof from anyone that anyone was advertising a Continuation Series for over $200K. I looked at it as a challenge, challenge completed! There have also been completed sales of alloy bodied Continuation Series Cobras that have gone as hight as $349K that can be found on the Internet if you really wanted to look for the info.

[mullen2]

Auctions America: 1962 Shelby 50th Anniversary Cobra

Looks like its one of 4 Alloy body cars, hence the much higher price. Above is a link to view it on SAAC site. It was auctioned recently and looks like it bid up to 200,000USD and did not meet reserve. Someone needs to fill it up with fuel so it sits lower in the rear...

I plan to go take a look at the car in Sarasota since its close. That black with red guts in nice!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by mullen2

Auctions America: 1962 Shelby 50th Anniversary Cobra

Looks like its one of 4 Alloy body cars, hence the much higher price. Above is a link to view it on SAAC site. It was auctioned recently and looks like it bid up to 200,000USD and did not meet reserve. Someone needs to fill it up with fuel so it sits lower in the rear...

I plan to go take a look at the car in Sarasota since its close. That black with red guts in nice!

1 of 4 and a Special/Limited Edition to boot. Wow. I love the black/red combo. And I'd have to lower it too. Thank you for the info.