Latest EPA Proposal

[twobjshelbys]

Be it known that the only way this crap happens is because the people who dreamed it up were appointed by the people who were elected. That would be the same crowd that has deemed coal to be an inappropriate fuel and will eliminate an entire industry in the next 10 years. This can be fixed in November.

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Be it known that the only way this crap happens is because the people who dreamed it up were appointed by the people who were elected. That would be the same crowd that has deemed coal to be an inappropriate fuel and will eliminate an entire industry in the next 10 years. This can be fixed in November.

What you are hearing is the ramifications of cheap clean natural gas taking over the coal industry. Logistically speaking, getting coal from the ground to the power plant is a huge undertaking. Compare that to NG where you pop a hole in the ground, hook the gas line up to the main, and it is ready to go. Add to that Europe was a huge buyer of US coal, but in the last few years, they have stopped buying due to the air quality issues. What you are hearing about has more to do with the coal industry asking for massive handouts from the government to prop up their industry so market forces don't put them out of business. Coal production has dropped in the last 7 years, but that is more related to natural gas production being up. We are still putting out more coal that we did 20 years ago.

[Ron61]

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

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Originally Posted by Ron61

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

Has a lot to do with the CALIFORNIA in your zipcode. In a State like Vermont they just check to make sure your car is roadworthy. & they do it yearly. Talk about a scam.... Still not as bad as CA, though.

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by Ron61

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

My car came from California originally and had SB100 certification. That being said, you can buy Collectors plates that avoid all emissions testing. It is still illegal to remove emissions equipment, but they do not check. When I bought my plates, you just sent a picture to the BMV and they would decide whether it was worthy or not. Now, you have to have receipts stating you spent $5000 or more modifying the car to get Collectors plates. If the car is more than 25 years old, you can get Historical Vehicle plates that are good for 35 years and cost about $35. Then you are exempt from everything but insurance, although you are only suppose to drive the car 1000 miles to less and it cannot be a daily driver. You can even take 1965 license plates and use those as the Historical Plates.

[Ron61]

I have a 1969 NASCAR Cobra that has had Historical Plates on it for many years and nothing was changed to get them. My Coupe is under the SB-100, but they are trying to get rid of that in several ways. I have a 3,000 mile per year limit on my Historical Plates, but I never get close to that as I have to run Racing Gas in the car and also it still has the original Polyglass tires on it from 1969 and I don't like to drive on them a lot.

Ron

Originally Posted by joyridin'

My car came from California originally and had SB100 certification. That being said, you can buy Collectors plates that avoid all emissions testing. It is still illegal to remove emissions equipment, but they do not check. When I bought my plates, you just sent a picture to the BMV and they would decide whether it was worthy or not. Now, you have to have receipts stating you spent $5000 or more modifying the car to get Collectors plates. If the car is more than 25 years old, you can get Historical Vehicle plates that are good for 35 years and cost about $35. Then you are exempt from everything but insurance, although you are only suppose to drive the car 1000 miles to less and it cannot be a daily driver. You can even take 1965 license plates and use those as the Historical Plates.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

Ron - that's one of the consequences of this pending EPA rule that will probably end the great little deal we have going for us in Arkansas right now. We don't have emissions testing or safety inspections for any year vehicles - they were abolished by Huckabee back around 2000 as a waste and scam industry by the stations doing the checks. Collector vehicles over 25 years old can purchase a one-time plate for about $12 which never has to be re-newed. So basically we are just left alone.

I know in this day and age this leniency almost seems decadent but it's such a relief to not have to take my vehicles down every year and hand it over to some greasy mechanic or kid to screw around with that I don't think I could go back - I would just have to sell out.

I still remember when every year I would go in for a safety inspection and this inspector would every year tell me my head lights were out of adjustment and he would have to adjust them for an extra charge and the next evening I would find them pointing up in trees and in on-coming drivers windshields. So, I would go home and re-adjust them on the garage door - only to have to go through the same thing the following year again.

[Ron61]

Dan,

That is what my cousin up in Omaha has told me. That crap is just a rip off out here too as they let the big companies just keep dumping stuff into the air. This state is not anything like the state that I knew from 50 years ago. If I wasn't so old and my health so bad I would really be looking to move out of here.

Ron

Originally Posted by DanEC

Ron - that's one of the consequences of this pending EPA rule that will probably end the great little deal we have going for us in Arkansas right now. We don't have emissions testing or safety inspections for any year vehicles - they were abolished by Huckabee back around 2000 as a waste and scam industry by the stations doing the checks. Collector vehicles over 25 years old can purchase a one-time plate for about $12 which never has to be re-newed. So basically we are just left alone.

I know in this day and age this leniency almost seems decadent but it's such a relief to not have to take my vehicles down every year and hand it over to some greasy mechanic or kid to screw around with that I don't think I could go back - I would just have to sell out.

I still remember when every year I would go in for a safety inspection and this inspector would every year tell me my head lights were out of adjustment and he would have to adjust them for an extra charge and the next evening I would find them pointing up in trees and in on-coming drivers windshields. So, I would go home and re-adjust them on the garage door - only to have to go through the same thing the following year again.

[CHANMADD]

Originally Posted by joyridin'

What you are hearing is the ramifications of cheap clean natural gas taking over the coal industry. Logistically speaking, getting coal from the ground to the power plant is a huge undertaking. Compare that to NG where you pop a hole in the ground, hook the gas line up to the main, and it is ready to go. Add to that Europe was a huge buyer of US coal, but in the last few years, they have stopped buying due to the air quality issues. What you are hearing about has more to do with the coal industry asking for massive handouts from the government to prop up their industry so market forces don't put them out of business. Coal production has dropped in the last 7 years, but that is more related to natural gas production being up. We are still putting out more coal that we did 20 years ago.

Yep......and this "natural"gas you just stick a pipe in the ground for.......straight destroys the underground water and not to mention how destabilizing it is for the earths surface........that's the part we live on.
.Every where there is fracking......the locals have to move ........or die........lovely....
Politicians at their best.......!!