$119,000 Cobra??????????

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I think we should just lock RodKnock in a closet then go out and have a nice dinner.

A "nice dinner" to you is a Quesalupa at Taco Bell.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, you’ve been a wonderful audience. I’ll be here all week. Try the veal. And don’t forget to tip your servers.

I don't care about the rest of you, but I'm laughing.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Well, here's how it works with children. Sometimes they misbehave. Sometimes they repeatedly do the same things over and over. Sometimes you explain to them how they are misbehaving is not OK. And sometimes they just keep on doing it and eventually a parent in the 50's and 60's would take that child over the knee and a belt would be involved. I've tried to figure out how to tell you that your a child as politely as possible...

Not only don't you like anything but the cheapest cobras but you seem to have a knot in your panties about Vegas. Always have to find something negative about everything.

It is possible you may think you're being funny. It's not. If so it's time to realize that standup comedy is hard and you should not have quit your day job.

I just post factual sales data, not someone's wet dream(s) about values of cars. You said Europe finds these cars "special" and they're worth more in Europe. Mr. Muck said he knows of sales in the $120,00-$140,000 range. Great, then post 'em up here. Again, the Internet is filled with words and occasionally facts.

The AC MKIV's may be worth more in Europe, just like CA SB100 exempt Cobras are worth a bit more to a CA buyer, but the last AC MKIV sale that I can find is $94,000. People like to drink Kool-aid when discussing values and asking prices, but anyone can google auctions and eBay sales to counter the BS. Are there sales in Europe of AC MKIV's in the $120,000-$140,000, maybe, possibly, but I'd just like to see proof. The AC MKIV posted here and on eBay has been for sale for a few weeks. I'm sure the seller is fielding calls right now from Europe.

Your child analogy is just another insult. I'll take the high road and not engage. And if you find an actual sale of an AC MKIV, please post it. I'm sure we'd all like to see.

[Maricopa]

I don't know - IMHO I wouldn't say that SPF Slabside is ridiculously overpriced. That is a really nice car and except for the body material, very faithful to the originals. It's priced significantly under what he has in it as the original owner which reflects these replicas will seldom be worth what it costs for the initial build. Assuming he has a little room to move on the price, if I were in the market for a slabside I think it would be looking at it closely.

Obviously we have different ideas of what things are worth....or are in very different tax brackets. And I don't care how much he overspent building it, I could build two ERA Slabsides for that.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Maricopa

I don't know - IMHO I wouldn't say that SPF Slabside is ridiculously overpriced. That is a really nice car and except for the body material, very faithful to the originals. It's priced significantly under what he has in it as the original owner which reflects these replicas will seldom be worth what it costs for the initial build. Assuming he has a little room to move on the price, if I were in the market for a slabside I think it would be looking at it closely.

Obviously we have different ideas of what things are worth....or are in very different tax brackets. And I don't care how much he overspent building it, I could build two ERA Slabsides for that.

Probably not (different tax brackets - I am in Arkansas after all) - I would not mind having a nice Kirkham 427 Street Roadster - but I have a nice ERA one that I finished and built myself (partly as a concession to cost) and I'm just hunky-dory with it. But I can still admire a nice Kirkham Roadster (or SPF Slabside) and understand that it may have a market value a little higher than my ERA.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Maricopa

[i] And I don't care how much he overspent building it, I could build two ERA Slabsides for that.

Wow - I almost walked by this one! Man, if you can build two complete ERA slabsides for $97k you really need to get in that business. A nice ERA finished 427 roller out the door (painted, 6-pin KOs, big brakes, good tires, leather, ERA rear, sidepipes) and with a 427 SO and toploader dropped in is probably going to cost somewhere in the range above $80K. And a slabside kit is more expensive than the 427 kit.

I've never added all the receipts up for my ERA but just the big ones in my head go over $50k and I know there is probably another $15K on top of that. And I have 5-pins, vinyl seats, jag rear, Chev brakes, a mutt FE motor, did all body/paint/assembly myself.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

The AC/Autokraft cars have a special attribute in Europe in that they can be registered just like another 1986 car. That has a lot of value over there. The seller here could export it and still make money.

Absolutely true, no issues with certification, no need to make a newly built car be a "1966", etc. The AC MK IV was EU certified and easy to register in most places.

Originally Posted by DanEC

I don't know - IMHO I wouldn't say that SPF Slabside is ridiculously overpriced. That is a really nice car and except for the body material, very faithful to the originals. It's priced significantly under what he has in it as the original owner which reflects these replicas will seldom be worth what it costs for the initial build. Assuming he has a little room to move on the price, if I were in the market for a slabside I think it would be looking at it closely.

He purchased the car as a turn-key driver from a dealer (not me) and it was not more than he is asking. This is a Superformance 289, not a Shelby 50th Anniversary car so not a $129,000 roller.

Of course there is some fluff in his advert, what original 289s had Top-Loaders (T10 was the stock box) and all Shelby Anniversary cars do not have "aluminum block 331s", etc. And correctly, red or tan interior Cobras had black dashes, we special order ours to have them.

Keep in mind most sellers are writing the ad to the great unwashed, not to the knowledgeable Cobra enthusiast. They already know what they need to know!

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

He purchased the car as a turn-key driver from a dealer (not me) and it was not more than he is asking. !

So he purchased this SPF slabside new, in ready to drive condition for under $97.5K?

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by DanEC

So he purchased this SPF slabside new, in ready to drive condition for under $97.5K?

Yup! I have one for even less.....

[Maricopa]

Wow - I almost walked by this one! Man, if you can build two complete ERA slabsides for $97k you really need to get in that business. A nice ERA finished 427 roller out the door (painted, 6-pin KOs, big brakes, good tires, leather, ERA rear, sidepipes) and with a 427 SO and toploader dropped in is probably going to cost somewhere in the range above $80K. And a slabside kit is more expensive than the 427 kit.

If an ERA 'Slab with a basic small block can't be built for 50K then they are wildly overpriced too.

Seriously, could I build them to SELL at that price? No. I'm talking about from the kit, not a roller, and doing all the work myself as I did with my FFR.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Maricopa

If an ERA 'Slab with a basic small block can't be built for 50K then they are wildly overpriced too.

Everything in this hobby is overpriced. If you want a turnkey, everything in, all the candy, 427 car from ERA, you're knocking on six figures... and possibly just sailing on by.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Maricopa

Wow - I almost walked by this one! Man, if you can build two complete ERA slabsides for $97k you really need to get in that business. A nice ERA finished 427 roller out the door (painted, 6-pin KOs, big brakes, good tires, leather, ERA rear, sidepipes) and with a 427 SO and toploader dropped in is probably going to cost somewhere in the range above $80K. And a slabside kit is more expensive than the 427 kit.

If an ERA 'Slab with a basic small block can't be built for 50K then they are wildly overpriced too.

Seriously, could I build them to SELL at that price? No. I'm talking about from the kit, not a roller, and doing all the work myself as I did with my FFR.

Yeah - that's how I built my 427 Roadster and I don't think you can get there with a slabside. And I bought my kit just prior to a price increase in 2010 I think. Fitted with 6-pins, leather, top, correct gages, bumpers, shifter, etc I'm thinking $65K absolute minimum with owner supplied engine, transmission, body work, painting, wheels, tires and assembly.

[twobjshelbys]

You posted one sale that happens to be below the others that are advertised. When this happens, especially at an auction, it usually has a "story" associated with it. It's not possible to extract the history if it was wrecked but that single point does not establish THE price. Dealers in this type of vehicle won't put a price of 2x on a car they need to move. So get three more and maybe we can talk. Until then, it's just the typical doom and gloom.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

You posted one sale that happens to be below the others that are advertised. When this happens it usually has a "story" associated with it. It's not possible to extract the history if it was wrecked but that single point does not establish THE price. Dealers in this type of vehicle won't put a price of 2x on a car they need to move. So get three more and maybe we can talk. Until then, it's just the typical doom and gloom.

Well, if they're worth more in Europe, then they're value here in the US is less. The one here on CC asking $120,000 may be on the market for some time.

If any more sales come across my desk, then I'll post them up. I'll make it my life's work. I'm here to please you my friend. But as far as I'm concerned, we have an actual sale at $94,000 in Europe that I'm using as MY baseline.

[Dangerous Doug]

Princess Blue is the same color Shelby referred to as "Viking Blue", correct?

"Viking Blue" doesn't upset my masculine sensibilities.

DD

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Doug

Princess Blue is the same color Shelby referred to as "Viking Blue", correct?

"Viking Blue" doesn't upset my masculine sensibilities.

DD

Actually they are slightly different. Princess Blue was the color AC had in their color palette. "Viking Blue" became a color when Shelby had the colors switched to Ford US colors.

And I am comfortable enough in my manliness to drive "Princess Blue".......

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Actually they are slightly different. Princess Blue was the color AC had in their color palette. "Viking Blue" became a color when Shelby had the colors switched to Ford US colors.

And I am comfortable enough in my manliness to drive "Princess Blue".......

Looks like a 1960's version of the Miata to me.