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04-13-2016, 10:30 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
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I love a good "small block vs big block, Chevy vs Ford" thread. We haven't had one of these in a few weeks.
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04-13-2016, 11:14 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance #2660, FE-406
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Given that these, at their core, are tribute cars, I think something in the same realm would likely be FE, Windsor based, followed by alloy blocks made by so many suppliers/builders.
Personal tastes always tend to have lots of devotee's but, myself, I kind of like the historic look with the internal improvements for that 1965 flashback appeal.
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04-13-2016, 11:29 AM
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Location: San Ramon,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Factory Five
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Been sitting here reading the thread, and debating if I wanted to respond. When I read the discussion of the 1.2 to 1.4 hp/ci being a .85% increase I just couldn't not respond. That difference is actually a 17% increase, .2 divided by 1.2 = .17 or 17%. Since I have no knowledge of the differences between GM & Ford engines, (don't care, long term Ford guy), I'll go away now.
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04-13-2016, 11:46 AM
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Location: Carlsbad,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF 2932 with 438 Lykins Motorsports engine. Previous owner of FFR 5452.
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Who gives a rat's ass what a Modern Chevy engine can or cannot do? If you are interested, go to the Chevy forum.
When I bought my replica, I wasn't interested in making an exact copy of a sixties icon. I wanted the look of the cobra coupled with an old school ford engine and a modern five speed tranny.
After comparing the FE and the SBF, in regards to weight, power, appearance, cost, size, leaking, etc, I went with a SBF. I wanted around 500 streetable, reliable horsepower, and also wanted to be around 427 cubic inches. Ended up with one of Brent's 438 SBF's and couldn't be happier. No valves to adjust, doesn't leak oil, and I can actually tell onlookers that it is a 427. And it has way more power than I am capable of using.
But, if originality is your thing, then an FE coupled to a top loader 4 speed is the only option.
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04-13-2016, 03:09 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: I'm Cobra-less!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EZ$
Been sitting here reading the thread, and debating if I wanted to respond. When I read the discussion of the 1.2 to 1.4 hp/ci being a .85% increase I just couldn't not respond. That difference is actually a 17% increase, .2 divided by 1.2 = .17 or 17%. Since I have no knowledge of the differences between GM & Ford engines, (don't care, long term Ford guy), I'll go away now.
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Exactly...
When you equalize the displacement you'll see that the Ford would be almost 70 hp over the Chevy.
Now try and explain to me how superior the LS engine is. |
04-13-2016, 03:18 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Former owner of Long Live the Bow tie Contemporary #102 427 Chevy .30 over Merlin heads 11to1, TBI injection
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
Exactly...
When you equalize the displacement you'll see that the Ford would be almost 70 hp over the Chevy.
Now try and explain to me how superior the LS engine is.
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Sounds like you are getting your numbers from "Loch Ness" the engine builder, you may have a grainy picture but it does not exist.
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04-13-2016, 11:34 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Little Rock area,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Street Roadster #782 with 459 cu in FE KC engine, toploader, 3.31
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Well Hell - lets not stop with a Chebbie. How about a 440 Mopar, or 455 Buick Stage 1, or an R3 306 Studebaker? Maybe we need a poll. Throw in the Tesla electric motor/battery pack too for good measure.  |
04-13-2016, 12:37 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: All original, with Chevy engine since 1964
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanEC
Well Hell - lets not stop with a Chebbie. How about a 440 Mopar, or 455 Buick Stage 1, or an R3 306 Studebaker? Maybe we need a poll. Throw in the Tesla electric motor/battery pack too for good measure. |
Or maybe a Mopar TEN cylinder Viper engine... 
You could call it the "Double Poison", or something catchy like that... Oh, Wait a minute...
Let's go back to Keith Craft's original question - After all he asked for opinions.... And all I've done in this thread is act like a pro-GM dick... (I'm good at that)
Well here's my opinion:
If I was doing a "correct appearing, tribute" car, then I guess an FIA/USRRC replica would mandate running a small block Windsor with Webbers, or an 8-horn EFI, while a Big Block tribute car should have a single carb FE side oiler if you are looking to emulate the full-comp cars, or a dual carb FE if you are looking for the SC pure street-car look.
Now, if you want to run "427" badges on the side of your replica, and you want that badge to accurately reflect your engine's displacement, without all the cost of an FE, then a 427 Windsor seems (to me) to be a fantastic option- Big block cubes, combined with small block weight and cost... I'll bet even Blykins would approve
I've actually been thinking a lot about this topic recently, because the '92 302w in my car is a great little engine, but could benefit greatly by a set of aluminum heads, and an updated induction system (and if I do swap out the induction, I would go with a top-center, carb style throttle body as a nod to historical appearance- I hate the appearance of the dog-leg intake)
But if I'm going to spend 5 grand re-doing the top end, then why not just spend $2500 more and drop in a larger-cube Windsor? (then I could also replace my "Powered by Ford" side badges with "427 Cobra" side badges, and not feel guilty about false-advertising 
Sticking with a Windsor offers all the benefits of not having to cut and weld engine mounts, or replace front springs, and all that other misc. blah blah blah...
But regardless, I'd go that way LONG before I'd consider any GM engine (even one that is a technically superior base platform...  )
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04-13-2016, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by moore_rb
But if I'm going to spend 5 grand re-doing the top end, then why not just spend $2500 more and drop in a larger-cube Windsor? (then I could also replace my "Powered by Ford" side badges with "427 Cobra" side badges, and not feel guilty about false-advertising
Sticking with a Windsor offers all the benefits of not having to cut and weld engine mounts, or replace front springs, and all that other misc. blah blah blah...
But regardless, I'd go that way LONG before I'd consider any GM engine (even one that is a technically superior base platform... ) |
You could always create a hybrid - put FE valve covers on the Windsor with adapters.
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04-13-2016, 01:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cycleguy55
You could always create a hybrid - put FE valve covers on the Windsor with adapters.
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Oh, I don't know about that...
I mean, what if some guy at a car show sees my valve covers, and asks me if my engine is a C5, C6, or C7 casting...? I'd be busted... 
Then, I'd have to humiliate the poor chap by asking him why he noticed my fraudulent engine BEFORE he noticed my car's doors and wheelbase?
or the lug nuts...
or the 9-bolt steering wheel...
or the Mustang steering rack...
or the fiberglass wheel wells...
or, well, you get the picture.
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04-13-2016, 05:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moore_rb
Let's go back to Keith Craft's original question - After all he asked for opinions.... And all I've done in this thread is act like a pro-GM dick... (I'm good at that)
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No longer Keith, just Craft for now on.
I think Keith got bought out or fired.
I love the power my 408 puts out.
That's all I have to ad to this post.
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