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Old 10-16-2020, 12:16 PM
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Default Registering a Cobra Replica in MA

Before sinking serious money into a Cobra turnkey, Iíd like to know how people are registering their Cobras in MA? Any pitfalls? Who will insure the car?

I canít get definitive answers from any replica manufacturers. Iíve found out that Iíll need:

1. Apply for Replacement VIN
2. Inspection from State Police Salvage Unit
3. Obtain Certificate of Origin from replica manufacturer
4. Bill of sale/invoice
5. If kit includes a frame and is listed on C of O, no title is needed.

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Old 10-16-2020, 02:54 PM
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Start searching this forum. There are a ton of threads devoted to every phase of the questions you asked.
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Old 10-16-2020, 03:19 PM
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In particular, there is a subforum dedicated to the general topic of registration. Try looking through the topic index here:

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There are several related to MA.
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Before I purchased my first turn key Cobra in 1999 I spoke with Vermont Dept. of Motor Vehicles asking what was necessary to register the car. Everything went extremely well. The same for my current Slabside also a turn key.

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Old 10-17-2020, 11:51 AM
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I’ve built two ERAs . The first in the early 80s which was fairly straight forward . The second was done with the new rules in place with more hoops to jump through. The first hurdle is getting a vin assigned. The second is making sure you go to the MAC (motorist assisstance center) with an rmv 1 form to get it properly filled out. The insurance co. And the registry people don’t know how to do it correctly. It can be done and you will get frustrated but in the end you’ll have a legitimately registered car that is exempt from emissions,backup lights.and side marker lights, and totally legal.
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Iíve built two ERAs . The first in the early 80s which was fairly straight forward . The second was done with the new rules in place with more hoops to jump through. The first hurdle is getting a vin assigned. The second is making sure you go to the MAC (motorist assisstance center) with an rmv 1 form to get it properly filled out. The insurance co. And the registry people donít know how to do it correctly. It can be done and you will get frustrated but in the end youíll have a legitimately registered car that is exempt from emissions,backup lights.and side marker lights, and totally legal.
Thank you everybody for the input!

NOS-Eddie, Thanks for the response! Iím thinking about an ERA 289 FIA, 302 stroked to 331ci. with Webers - a tribute to the CSX2345. Should the engine block be prior to 1991 to be emissions exempt? Do I register it as a 1964 Shelby Cobra on the VIN Application? With MAC was nicer?

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Old 10-17-2020, 04:59 PM
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If you can get to ERA soon there is the most accurate and beautiful 289 with Webber’s that you’ll ever see. Ask Peter for my cell and give me a call. I live in Brimfield. Will help you anyway I can. Also look on Cobracountry. Real nice FIA there now.
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If you can get to ERA soon there is the most accurate and beautiful 289 with Webberís that youíll ever see. Ask Peter for my cell and give me a call. I live in Brimfield. Will help you anyway I can. Also look on Cobracountry. Real nice FIA there now.
Thank you kindly! I spoke with Peter Friday. Iím hoping to go down to ERA in a few weeks. Iíll try to reach you after meeting Peter.

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I think you need to really research what it takes to get the car titled and registered in Massachusetts before taking a leap. It's just not very easy for a "kit car". One of the reasons I drive a V8 swapped Healey was because I was fearful I couldn't get a Daytona Coupe registered and didn't want to have a $60k garage queen that I couldn't take out on the road. The biggest problem seems to be with emissions. A later build is going to need emissions controls. There is a procedure to buy an older car and have it crushed to meet these requirements. You can see a bit about it here: https://www.speedsterowners.com/file...on_process.pdf I haven't kept up with all the latest requirements so can't advise you step by step. My only caution is really do all the research and talk to those who have done the process in exactly the same circumstance you are considering. Cobras are meant to be driven, not just polished in your garage because you can't meet the Commonwealth of Massachusetts rules to get them on the road.
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Hi Karman, I live in Peabody, Mass. and have an ERA 427 Street model that I purchased in Illinois 7 years ago. Because the car was already titled and registered in Illinois I was able to simply transfer everything over to Massachusetts with no issues. No M.A.C. INSPECTION, donor car, etc. In fact, I actually have a 1966 year of manufacture license plate on the car...possibly the only replica in Mass. registered this way.
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I think you need to really research what it takes to get the car titled and registered in Massachusetts before taking a leap. It's just not very easy for a "kit car". One of the reasons I drive a V8 swapped Healey was because I was fearful I couldn't get a Daytona Coupe registered and didn't want to have a $60k garage queen that I couldn't take out on the road. The biggest problem seems to be with emissions. A later build is going to need emissions controls. There is a procedure to buy an older car and have it crushed to meet these requirements. You can see a bit about it here: https://www.speedsterowners.com/file...on_process.pdf I haven't kept up with all the latest requirements so can't advise you step by step. My only caution is really do all the research and talk to those who have done the process in exactly the same circumstance you are considering. Cobras are meant to be driven, not just polished in your garage because you can't meet the Commonwealth of Massachusetts rules to get them on the road.
Thank you, Rick, for the great advice! What an inhibitive process. Itís difficult to find people who have gone through the MA process post 2011. Are people salvaging the engine block from these crush cars? No guarantee that the block is not cracked... AND they have to be registered within 5 years, which means they could be a small fortune for a pre-1974 car.
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Hi Karman, I live in Peabody, Mass. and have an ERA 427 Street model that I purchased in Illinois 7 years ago. Because the car was already titled and registered in Illinois I was able to simply transfer everything over to Massachusetts with no issues. No M.A.C. INSPECTION, donor car, etc. In fact, I actually have a 1966 year of manufacture license plate on the car...possibly the only replica in Mass. registered this way.
I really wanted a ERA 289FIA... Wow, your option might be easier. Did you go through Hargarty or regular car insurance?
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jjh you are the only person I know of that didn't go threw the Ma. nightmares. You can register them an Ma loves you paying the sales tax. But them try an get a sticker. Thats were the problem comes up. Interpretations vary on the laws. I have 2 sticker guy friends. they both wouldn't get involved. NH was a walk in the park. Good Luck guys.
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Thank you, Rick, for the great advice! What an inhibitive process. Itís difficult to find people who have gone through the MA process post 2011. Are people salvaging the engine block from these crush cars? No guarantee that the block is not cracked... AND they have to be registered within 5 years, which means they could be a small fortune for a pre-1974 car.
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They are not buying a car to use the engine, they are purchasing a qualifying car to scrap for credit. We recently had a customer purchase a 72 Caddy with a 502 engine to allow his Roush 427 IR Windsor to be registered. The scraped car must be of equal or greater displacement.
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They are not buying a car to use the engine, they are purchasing a qualifying car to scrap for credit. We recently had a customer purchase a 72 Caddy with a 502 engine to allow his Roush 427 IR Windsor to be registered. The scraped car must be of equal or greater displacement.
Wow, sounds crazy and wasteful to buy 2 cars to register 1 kit car, and use its emissions exemption, then scrapping the jalopy. Oh boy, this is going to get real complicated as you’re at the mercy of a potentially unknowledgeable MAC inspector, especially when it comes to kit cars. Ha, what will happen if I put race numbers and decals on the car.��
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