"The Black Ghost" SCAM ???

[Alfa02]

The Punch line Tony, is this Uncle Tony, had seen this car 3 years before it GREW its story, he stated facts about it. The Owner (Son) has "Just Stories" that make no sense, and nothing to back it up. Go back and see what this gentleman (Son) does for a living, that may just tip you off, Cheers Tony, Tom.

[patrickt]

It was a "replica" of a ghost. The older I get the less and less distinction I see between real and fake. If you want to believe it's real, then it's real.

[twobjshelbys]

The Mecum listing

https://www.mecum.com/lots/554000/19...e-black-ghost/

displays a fair amount of pedigree including a registration in the Historic Vehicle Association (this car is #28, #1 is Daytona Coupe CSX2287) and an 82 page report on its pedigree. It seems it would be difficult to perpetuate a fraud over such a long period of time and over so many people...

We all know the old saying "I saw it on the internet so it must be true" really means it's a lie. I choose to trust Mecum, and the historic registry more than some dude on a Youtube video. If it was really true, his video has baked long enough to garner lots of national press... Nowhere to be seen.

[patrickt]

Well I do like the Gator Grain top.

[eschaider]

I think we need more government control ...

[Alfa02]

I looked up the son (Gregory Qualls) as Uncle Tony did. This is what I found, a storyteller that will embellish your "Story" for money. I would say this does not bode well for Mr. Qualls story about the "Black Ghost" that no one had heard about on Woodward Ave. till 2020. He also said in 2020-21 that he would be handing the car down to his son, funny how money & fame changed that tune. That million dollars the car sold for was just chicken feed, compared to the PR, his company got!! https://fullviewpro.com/#

[Alfa02]

And lest we forget about the movie that's (already) in Production. I just bet that million dollars came from the budget of the movie, yet again another great PR tool for the producers, to hype the movie. Anyone want to take that bet

[Alfa02]

I think the thing that irks me most about this car joining a "so called" HVA (Historic Vehicle Association?) which is some (made up?) Association by, WAIT FOR IT Hagerty!!!! How deep does this stuff go?? So in that case I vote to add my Father's 69 Saab Sonett II He was in the service, worked his whole life at a job, raised 2-good kids + ME Bought the car (New) and raced it (With Proof) for 25years. I would bet 90% of the American people can say the same thing, about their dad's (Maybe without the racing part) https://www.multivu.com/players/Engl...020-inductees/

[HealeyRick]

If someone was fooled by all the hype one wonders how they ever amassed $1m to throw around on a collector car. Thank God Carroll Shelby never made up any BS stories to sell his cars.

[tkb289]

Comments from the buyer along with comments from the Mopar & Muscle Car community can be found on The Super Car Registry website ( https://yenko.net ).

Here is a link to the thread:
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=175665

[HealeyRick]

Originally Posted by tkb289

Comments from the buyer along with comments from the Mopar & Muscle Car community can be found on The Super Car Registry website ( https://yenko.net ).

Here is a link to the thread:
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=175665

Interesting to do a search on the buyer's (TarheelRyan) posting history on that site. He's obviously committed to buying some cool muscle cars and isn't afraid of overpaying. And all that at the age of 42. I'm jealous. If I had unlimited funds there's a certain Baldwin Motion 427 Camaro that was a "legend" in my little hometown and I'd probably also throw stupid money at it. And I bet it would have wiped the Black Ghost, too.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by tkb289

Comments from the buyer along with comments from the Mopar & Muscle Car community can be found on The Super Car Registry website ( https://yenko.net ).

Here is a link to the thread:
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=175665

The owners first comment here echos my sentiments exactly:

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showpost...2&postcount=20

As the high bidder of the Black Ghost, here is my 2 cents worth. It is a fully documented, triple black, "original" numbers matching Hemi Challenger R/T SE 4 speed with a gator grain top. The documentation for the car is in the top 1% of all Mopar's. As for the history of this car, I will listen to (1) Dodge Factory; (2) Hagerty; (3) Bob Ashton; (4) Dave Wise; and (5) the Qualls' family any day of the week over Uncle Tony's Garage.

Over the past 2 days, I have seen the absolute best and worst of the classic/muscle car community in its treatment of this car. As far as I'm concerned, it is a bad ass Hemi Challenger with a trailer hitch that has a pretty cool backstory...embellished or not.

It's a bad-ass Challenger that's for sure!!!

I tried again to watch the video and the guy just is so full of himself that I had to give up again. He reminds me of that your pillow guy who is just so grating on tv that I wonder how he ever sold any. When his assertions show up in the real press I'll listen to his assertions.

You might want to read this reply too:

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showpost...3&postcount=48

Reply 59 has some insight from a former partner, no longer associated, as to Uncle Tony's Youtube persona.

[Alfa02]

Tony, I wouldn't have you go through another try with this "Uncle Tony" Just the last 3-4 mins should do the trick. Remember, this Tony had seen the car in person 3-years ago, as its story was just getting started, and described it as 100% Stock, which it is. At the most this is a worn-out Stock 70 Hemi Challenger with 45 or 145 K miles, (80-120K value) and a (850-900K Story) Every town/city (In the 60's-70's) with pop. of say 50k or more had 1-3 Cars that could eat this Hemi alive, they ALL had stories. This car has no proof just stories like the rest. I remember a Metal Flake Green 63 Split Window with Blown (Sticking Out the hood) 327 4-speed, 4:10 rear (I drove that car) a 70 Daytona Hemi 4-speed that was not stock Just two that come to mind, in a Navy town (Bremerton WA.) of 35k people. Funny story about the Daytona, I worked @ a Mobil Station (17-19yo) and the guy always came to my station every Fri/Sat. night for $1-2 worth of Prem. (Prem@$.35 per gallon) and ALWAYS paid in Sliver Dollars!! Never let me look under the hood, never knew anyone that got a look. Fun Times.

[767Jockey]

When you don't like the message attack the messenger, as we usually do these days. I don't know this "Uncle Tony" guy from Adam, but what he says makes 100% common sense. How the hell does a bone stock 14 second car become "legendary" in a super competitive 1970's Motown street race heyday scene? It's just a ludicrous and unbelievable story.

[Tommy]

Let's not be in a rush to discount the opinions of the person who paid a million dollars for what he likely hopes is an appreciating asset. Surely he's objective about this matter.

[Harpoon PV2]

The sadist part of this whole story is, the car on it's own is a one of a kind. We know from the paper work, it is a Cuda with alligator vinyl top, the wrong hood from the factory, and the correct, dealer ordered Shaker in the garage all these years, plus some more things I have forgotten. A million dollars, no, but more then your average Cuda for sure! Cheers, Dennis

[Alfa02]

Challenger Dennis, but Yes Spot on, about (Real) Value Oh wait?, maybe we're looking at this Bass-awkward. We sell the story and throw in the car for free, oh never mind that's what Hollywood already does. Hummmmm...

[redvettx2]

Scam? Do your homework prior to purchase. Did anyone put a gun to anyone's head. The car is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay. In this case a 1M bucks. 30 years from now we all may be wishing we bought the car when is sells for 5M. This was all marketing 101 done to hype the car and it was well done. He got 1M for the car.

[767Jockey]

I agree with you guys, lost in this whole ridiculous situation is the fact that this is a VERY cool car. A bone stock, very heavily optioned Hemi Challenger in near original, unrestored condition is incredibly interesting. I wonder what the car itself is honestly worth without the obvious bull$hit story attached to it?

Redvettx2, I agree with you completely on the definition of value. Anything is worth exactly what someone will pay for it. This buyer either didn't do his homework, or he believes the story and feels the story is worth the massive additional amount that he paid for the car. That said, it's still a scam. To me, and I believe to most, a "scam" is a dishonest situation deliberately fabricated and set up specifically to extract something of value from someone (typically money) for something of significantly less value in return. It's always based on some form of deliberate deceit in artificially inflating the value of the item offered. For example, false contractor calls to the elderly come to mind to illustrate this point. These sellers are lying. The story is very obviously false and completely fabricated. The story has only one purpose, which is to deceive some naive and unknowing buyer into artificially inflating the value of the car. This guy spent what he spent on the car. Whether or not he believes the story, or he got hoodwinked, that doesn't change the fact that is is 100% a scam. Someone who is elderly and taken advantage of is an innocent victim of a scam. This buyer isn't an innocent victim, he is simply a fool. That's on him. He fell for the scam. The fact that he fell for it doesn't change the fact that it's a scam that worked as intended.

[767Jockey]

I'm sitting here laughing as I write this. Back in the late 70's, when I was a young stupid guy (weren't we all?) on Long Island, NY, my friends and I were foolishly involved in street racing on a fairly active level. My car was a maroon 350 powered 1968 Nova SS. It was the typical small block Chevy setup of the day - headers, Tarantula intake, ported and polished double hump heads, 11.5:1 compression running Sunoco 260 gas, 650 Double Pumper, Muncie rock crusher M22 trans, Hurst Super Shifter, a 12 bolt posi rear with 4:56 gears, "cheater" slicks, etc. I took great care in the setup of the cars suspension, and it hooked like crazy. It was a 12.7 second car back in the day when that was a BIG deal. I wasn't a real regular street racer that the time. We raced on Route 231 in Babylon, NY. I would show up about once a month or so at the Burger King or Jack in the Box, I would pick my races carefully, and I usually won. I then went home to do whatever I had to do.

I can very easily spin what I did back then into the exact same story as this nonsense. I'll call it "The Maroon Ghost" It would show up on occasion. It would win. It would then "disappear" suddenly after the win into nowhere (my parents house, where I lived at the time), only to "re-appear" without warning only to win again. OOooohhhhhh - a "legend" in the 1970's Long Island street racing scene. Now the car is worth ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!!!! That's hiarious!