The guy is trying to sell his car. Marketing 101 would teach you to cast your net as far as possible. He wants a customer with green money, that's what he needs to discriminate about. Not whether his car qualifies in YOUR mind as a Shelby. Do you think this guy cares that your feelings might be miffed because you happen to own a "real" continuation Shelby car and he dares calling his SPF a "Shelby"? Heck no. He wants to sell his FPSB and get out from under a financial load. He'd be a boob to not call it a Shelby -- especially when people generally look for the items by using a "search" function.

It would be unusual for someone using Ebay to locate a Cobra to NOT use "Shelby" in his search -- unless he also wants to get 1500 ads for used CB radios as well.

There MUST be something MORE important to gripe about in your life than this!!!! If not, you are truly a blessed man!

Dior
 

Certainy more an observation than a gripe. I have not owned my old car for over a year and a half so actually, it's no real issue with me either way. Just boredom and the start of a thread. I don't have any gripes in my life right now other than I missed the NY lottery again.

C'mon guys.
Even a ebay customer embellishing his car as a Shelby Cobra is getting bad press for Shelby.

Give it a rest. There are plenty of things Carroll may have or may not have done that generates a rebuttal from those who dislike him. But not when someone else is using his name to sell their cars! Does he have to take the blame for that too?

Seems some have their Shelby filter set too tight. Regardless what the topic is, if it says Shelby they jump in with both feet with the same old rhetoric.
He didn't do ANYTHING this time.

Be fair.

TURK

Ahh, bull$hit. It's always Shelby's fault. Shelby started it, Shelby continued it, Shelby filed suit on it. Shelby was responsible for 9/11. Shelby sends all the spam. I'm pretty sure tha ba$tard stole my missing socks too...

Ok
 

This thread has been beat to death.
-Time to dream up another one.

Since Shelby used the Oldmobile(They still in business?) Motor for the Series One, I saw a guy on Ebay advertising

1971 Shelby Olds Cutlass 442 Convertible
Aurora Motor, Dash signed by Shelby $29,995
Now that's advertising... :CRY:

I thought Shelby only offered rollers, not turn key cars so as to avoid crash testing, etc? I'm probably wrong....If that is true however, I guess the reproduction models are kits and should be classified as such?

Only playing around here, and generally, I think we should just go back to loving our cars and stop finding ways to poke at each other. "Shelby" Cobras wouldn't be enjoying the success they are today without the "kit" industry, and the kit industry wouldn't be nearly as successful had Shelby not been so brilliant. I have just as much fun in my POS kit as someone who has a vintage Cobra or any of the continuation ones. We're in it together, so enjoy the ride!

having followed the replica thing since the late '70's, i have my own interpretation of phrases like:

kit car, roller, turn-key, turn-key-minus, component, pallet, and so forth. Perahps even the FFR "box" cars.

But i sure don't know how others intrepret these descriptions.

Personally, since i put in the key, and drove my SPF away, to me it was "turn-key".

To me, kits are where the builder has to put it together, sorta like a model airplane in a box.

When passerby ask me "is that a kit?", i reply, "no, it is a Superformance", and point to my big windshield decal.

Good one Brent.

How is your kit engine running nowadays?

TURK

Brent
 

In the 60's Shelby's cars were advertised as Cobra Kits. The only difference between then and now was that the EPA or whoever was incharge of that kinda thing allowed him to sell complete cars. No one including Shelby has that luxury now. So yes, they are all kits but, Shelby was in it at the right time and became established as a manufacturer. So the legend continues.
There were no other Cobra Makers other than him until the 70's or so.
What this all really means...Nothing...
Just Blah blah blah bored on a Sunday.

Too many sports on TV that bore me. All Ball games are played by guys utilizing one ball.

At least racing takes 2!!!! Big Ones

Brent, actually i think the "turn-key" replicas are about gone away, due to the federal rules about who becomes the "manufacturer" of the car. It has been explained to me by the Olthoffs, that whoever installs the motor is technically the "manufacturer", and to avoid some of the obscure but relevant Federal rules that apply to "manufacturers", the Olthoff's have for some time put their cars in their trailor, taken them 70 miles away, and had the engines installed by someone not affiliated with their SPF distributorship.

So my guess is Shelby would have to make the same arrangements to sell a "turn-key" car. Hence the Shelby rollers??

Adds to the cost and the time.

Ok, I just wanted to be clear on how the CSX guys answer the "is it a kit" question. Sounds like it is. :)

I'm only playing, so don't pummel me! :D

Mr. CSX:

My understanding of the meaning of a "Kit Car" is something that is sold in sections or parts and then assembled. No such Superformance Cobra's are sold like that to my knowledge. I do not consider the rolling chassis without the engine and transmission in the same category as kit cars. I have seen friends "assemble" their cars right down to wiring harnesses. This does not in any way make my statement into a negative against kit cars, only that I believe the Superformance Cobra to be a "factory built Replica". Please don't twist my words into that statement meaning they are better or worse.

Bandit
 

No Fight here...
Shelby called his cars in the 60's Cobra Kits
Kirkham calls their rollers Cobra Kits
Most States I am aware of call non original Cobra's, Cobra Kits
To me they are all Cobra kits unless they come with a MSO from a manufacturer listing the number of cylinders as well as the number of doors. None can do that. If you have to put anything in it to make it go down the road to the inspection station, it's a kit.
The ones you have to assemble like a toy model from boxes of parts with an instuction manual are just more complicated kit.
Just my 3 cents.

And Bandit, I know I am going on 48 but MR. makes me sound old.
Steve is OK

Is Shelby really that bad of a guy?

If you were a major part of designing and bringing to market a product that had marginal success and then years later someone took your idea, tweaked it and is very successful wouldn't you want a piece of it? Without him there would be no cobra, replica, roller or kit.
My $.02

Its absolutely comical how some guys trash Shelby, his name and argue the name "Shelby" "Shelby American" "Cobra" adds no value or little value to the car as far as they are concerned and that to pay extra for the name is a rip off but when the time to sell rolls around they clearly misrepresent and paint their car as a "Shelby Cobra". Hmmm. Wonder why. Just a little hypocritical, don't you think? Why not just say its a SPF since after all most would rather have an SPF anyway since they are superior in chasis design, quality etc. to the flimsy CSX chasis and prison labor glass bodies blah, blah blah as professed by the SPF fanatics without offering any emperical proof.

Dollars to donuts the guy with SPF on ebay advertising it as "Shelby Cobra" (of which it is not) would probably tell you before the decision to sell was made by him that the name "Shelby" or "Shelby Cobra" "wasn't worth it to him to pay "all that money just for the name". Except now he obviously feels it as value enough to include in the ad.

Comical.

That ebay ad is just the kind of crap that Shelby gets pissed about. Don't blame him one bit.

When people ask me if my car is a kit I tell them its a Shelby Cobra. The reason. Technically it may qualify under the current DMV definition of kit but today the term "kit" has become associated with "fake" or replica in the public mind and common usage. So I just them them its a Real Shelby Cobra of the continuation series. Which is exactly what it is.

I would just like to take a moment and thank Evan for actually making a good point that was not by inferrence, self engrandizing , and for keeping it to just three paragraphs...sorta....

Evan.........long weekend???:D

KK

Hey Mr. is that a kit?
 

With my Excalibur I always answered without hestitation, "NO, It's NOT a kit."

Now I'll have the Classic Roadster, uh oh, it's about to get complicated.......

Maybe I'll follow Hals lead:
"NO, it's a Double Venom." :LOL:

Ernie

CSX 4027,
I could care less about the whole Shelby thing, that has been beaten to death here for way to long as far as I am concerned.
The question I do have for you though is concerning sports and balls. Would you rather.......

1. Hop into a car specifically built for it's intended purpose with unbelievable amounts of saftey engineered into it and drive on a track with a bunch of guys that are supposed to be the very best at what they are doing (don't get me wrong I have a perfectly healthy view of how dangerous it is)

OR

2. Take hold of a little ball and have 11 guys, all of whom weigh
between 200 and 400 lbs. can do the 40 in under 4.8 and most of them can benchpress a sideoiler, try to kill you by hitting a structure that was NOT engineered for this purpose......

I don't know about you but I know which one me and my balls would rather attempt.:D :D

Have a good one,
Dan


p.s. No offense. Just trying to HIJACK a thread that should have died about 10 threads ago.;)

Avanti
 

The choice is clear.
Also, You forgot the IQ and drug use of the 200-400 pounders. I doubt anyone on the track is either on steroids or pain meds..
On the field??? Oh Well..

I've heard some say he was standing beside Fidel during the Bay of Pigs invasion. In fact some say he is actually Alan Greenspan in coveralls! Why it wouldn't surprise me if he knows what the Wicked Witch really did to Dorothy and Toto! I for one saw him in Twin Peaks!