I'm not "tired" of guys advertising cars as "Shelby" Cobras. I don't really care what they do. I'm just pointing out it seems somewhat hypocritical to knock the man, the name and the new Continuation Cobra as just overpriced because of a name and then try to trade on that name and cozey up to it to benefit themselves. Actually it just supports everything I've always said.

As to advertising my car on ebay, First, if I did I guess I could put my car in either category properly. Technically pursuant to DMV regs it arguably fits the technical definition since it doesn't come powered from the manufacturer. But I can also correctly and properly put it in the "Shelby Cobra" category because thats exactly what it is. You can't with a SPF. Guys do anyway. Why? The reason is obvious. The guy in question not only put the ad in the Shelby Cobra category he even goes one step further and describes his car as a "Shelby Cobra" in the body of the ad. Its not.

Do I care personally where he placed his ad. Not one iota. Just discussing the subject.

BTW my car is titled and registered as a 2001 reconstruct. I guess MO is similar to NJ.

So I guess while you can "pass of your car off" as a "REAL Backdraft racing roadster" which is exactly what it is you have you still some kind of problem with me telling people my car is a "REAL Shelby Cobra." which is exactly what it is. I always explain its a new Continuation Shelby. In fact I'm proud of that fact. I also find people are fascinated by the re-birth of SAI and the Cobra.

Why doesn't it surprise me that to you I am trying to "pass off my car as a 1965 Cobra" by telling people its a "Shebly Cobra". In fact you seem to have such knowledge what I tell people when they ask me about my car yet you've never been present for one of those discussions. :rolleyes:

Why doesn't that surprise me.

:LOL:

Okay, Okay, you win. I've gotta get the rest of my grass cut. I think I'll use my "real" Craftsman mower. Then have a glass of "real" lemonade. Just one last question, if Shelby American would have assembled my BDR, would it be real?

Nuke 427: Good question. Hmmm. I guess it would be a "Backdraft replica Cobra assembled by Shelby American"

:LOL: ;)

BTW: How do you like the Backdraft. Interesting concept in using all BMW parts and suspension peices as I understand. Quality stuff to be sure. I've never seen one. Can you post pictures?

:cool:

Safe to say that many here at CC don't find much value in the Shelby name and CSX number, but you won't find even the nicest Kirkham, ERA, or SPF bringing this kind of money.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6465

Or maybe it is the built by Turk designation that make it so valueable.

Let's all agree that the Shelby name is worth $$$. To some the upcharge for a SAI product is worth it. To others it is just a name and it is not worth it. But please don't argue that the in the marketplace the Shelby name has no value. Shelby has put his name on many cars over the last 40 years (some I am sure he would love to take back) and they have all sold.

...I don't know about "many", but I would say "some". And even those that say the "name" isn't worth "that much" may well be singing a different tune when their car is for sale!

Ernie

Evan: Just when I thought I was done with this thread..........
I guess you bring something out in me.....touch a nerve .....something - I don't know what! But........the "guy in question" that is advertising his car on Ebay has it listed under "Shelby" because: #1 Ebay has a short-cut to "Shelby" which makes it easier for people to find his car. #2 Most people in this country, when seeing one of these autos (no matter who made it) will call it a "Shelby Cobra, or an "AC Cobra". There is no short-cut on Ebay for "AC". There is no short cut on Ebay for "Superformance" or "Kit Car" either. So, this is just good advertising on his part.
Plus, you said the guy went one step further by describing the car as a Shelby Cobra in the body of his ad. That wasn't exactly true. The ENTIRE body of the ad reads: SHELBY COBRA SUPERFORMANCE 2002 *NEW*. ............You left out "Superformance" on your post (intentionally? nah!) He CLEARLY refers to it as a Superformance in his ad. .....You call this "cozeying up to Shelby"? I think not!

Real 1, it is safe to say you have a beautiful car. Doug from Kansas City, MO was the gentleman I referred to earlier and his aluminum bodied car was very nice. I sat in it and the ergonomics were quite different than the 2 Cobras I've owned. The shifter was in the perfect position and how you sat was also perfect. Anyway, I just thought you came off a little bit on the offensive and snot nosed with the Shelby bit. I can't speak for everyone but I'm sure most of us would love to own an aluminum bodied Shelby American and would state that fact when describing it to others.
HIQ, agreed, his name is money. I still think he's a greedy old man, but he put together quite the piece of history. Can't take that away from him.
Pics of the BDR are in my gallery. Now I really do need to get to finishing the grass cutting, the wife will be home soon!

I think HIQ's avatar adequately sums up this thread:LOL:

Terry: I honestly don't care how he describes his car. Believe me it doesn't bother me. I'm just discussing it because its the topic being discussed.

He clearly says in the begining of the text "This Shelby Cobra". Look I don't care, really. It just seems he is using the Shelby name because he obviously peceives it will enhance his chances of sale, interest in the car and maybe price. Why else would he use the term Shelby Cobra a number of times when its not???? I'm just pointing out it seems a little hypocritical for a person to knock the vaue of the name and then use it to your advantage when selling. Thats my point. Wouldn't you agree???

Nuke427: I'm not a snot. Honest. :JEKYLHYDE Seriously, I'm just reciting the facts as they exist. Sorry if it comes off that way.

Chaplin: Your are right. HIQ's avatar pretty much sums it up. :LOL:

HIQ: Good post.

1. "This Shelby Cobra is top notch,"

2.".............PUSH BOTTON START...LIKE A RACING MACHINE CHASSIS SPO1257 SUPERFOMANCE 427 SC CAR COVER FLOOR MATS "

#2 is the only place in the ad where the word Superformance appears. Now we here at CC all know that this car is an SPF but without any punctuation if I am not a very knowledgable Cobra guy as far as I know I am getting a Shelby Cobra with a Superformance Car Cover floor mat (whatever that is)

and 90% of the people out there don't know the differance
between...
SP012578Y72002 or
CSX4027

I cannot believe this thread is still going.:JEKYLHYDE

Have a good one,
Dan

SORRY
 

didn't notice the line under Shelby:All models that says
Superformance.

but I think my point is still valid ...at least all of the people who don't read carefully the first time like myself will miss it:D ;)

If this guy on ebay was trying to sell his car for 119,000 and calling it a Shelby, he would be a Jackass. Just because he mentioned Shelby in the add along with Superformance and offering the car at a Superformance aftermarket price seems OK by me, why are some of you guys getting so bent out of shape over this?? Unless he was trying to trick the public into paying more than the car was worth..I dont think he is out of line.

This is actually the first time I've looked at the ad. I don't believe there is any misrepresentation at all. Clearly states Superformance and also a purchase value of $55K. Don't see the problem. Kinda like the ole' Escort in the Mercedes category. If you get a bonehead buyer, all the better. If Cobra replicas weren't in the Shelby category, there wouldn't be a shortcut, there would only be a few GT350's and 500's. They probably wouldn't even have a Shelby category if it weren't for the repro's. Isn't that funny?

Nuke: "Probably wouldn't even have a Shelby category if it weren't for the repro's" GOOG POINT. How many REAL Shelby's are there listed under the "Shelby" category? Not nearly as many as there are replica's listed.

Ask someone on the street to close their eyes and picture a car. Tell them to first picture a Corvette. Then a Shelby (or even use AC) Cobra. Then ask them to picture a "Superformance." Most will say "a WHAT?"
It's just good advertising to place a REPLICA of a certain vehicle along with the originals. It would be different if he were asking 100K and never mentioned it was a Superformance. THEN, Evan, you would have your lawsuit (or at least something REAL to complain about!). ....Maybe someone should buy this car, get it home, and sue him for false advertising, saying they thought they were buying a Shelby Cobra!? .....oooops! I may have just given 'Ol Shel another reason for a lawsuit! Pretty soon he'll sue Ebay for allowing these people to use his name while advertising their cars. You gotta think:$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$;) :D

I couldn't care less how he advertises his car. My point was very simple. He is using the Shelby and Shelby Cobra name to his advantage in describing his car when its clearly not a Shelby Cobra.

My point was this. It seems hypocritical for some to knock Shelby and the fact that some have paid more for a "Shelby" and then to go out and use his name and his car to trade on in an effort to sell your car. Thats my point.

In fact, the fact that he trys to describe his car and associate it with a Shelby Cobra is in fact flattering to all Shelby Cobra owners.

;)

Still here??????:(

Do we know that this person "knock Shelby and the fact that some have paid more for a "Shelby" and then to go out and use his name and his car to trade on in an effort to sell your car"?

Rick

Re: SORRY
 

That would be your fault for bidding and not understanding what you're bidding on. When you could have taken the time read the ad and noticed it states it is Superformance. This guy means no harm, no misrepresentation. He's just smart. I've used the Shelby category twice selling "Cobras", uh, I mean little cars with sidepipes and big fenders and no top. If I were to list my car today, I'd use it again.

I think the little point Real 1, Evan, is trying to make is a simple one that took a bit to understand. Do we use the Shelby name for added value? Sure, maybe not for cash value but status value. Should a car built today by a Shelby company add value? Sure, I bet if Shelby American developed and built my BDR to the exact specs it is now it would be worth a good percentage more than it is now. I can agree with using the Shelby name for added value whether status or cash. What I don't believe is someone paying a higher dollar amount b/c of what category it's in. Kinda boils down to the guy on Ebay has nothing to do with the point here. I can almost guarantee that 95% of the people that go to the "Shelby" category on Ebay are looking for a Replica.
By the way, my car has absolutely no badges of Shelby or Cobra on it anywhere and at car shows people tell me, nice Cobra! Hope that's not my fault too.

No where on this ad does it say "kit". Is this a problem?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6465

Nuke: That guy should be locked up! Under the profile of the car, he has a "V-8" listed under "engine". If that's the only part of the ad I read, I would assume this car came with an engine. Only LATER, do you find out that it is "ready for a 427". I believe he is also selling a vehicle with non DOT approved tires ......isn't this illegal? What if someone were to get into an accident, and the accident was caused by the tires (blowout maybe?). Talk about a lawsuit! Whew! The car is also listed under "year" as being a 1965. That's not the case either. He may WISH it were a '65! Then LATER in the ad, we find out it was actually ordered in 2002 and shipped in 2003. If it's a 1965, then that's a LONG wait! Maybe it was one of the cars Shelby "found" in a warehouse and decided to sell for an outrageous amount of $$. What should we believe? ............Oh well, at least it's a "Shelby" being sold in the Shelby category. -And THAT'S all that counts!

Evan: I know what your point is, and I DO believe people will use the Shelby, AC, and Cobra name to help sell their cars. But I don't believe anyone is trying to pull the wool over anybodys eyes when doing so (unless their a crook!). I think they're using the names to help IDENTIFY their cars......not to cheat people out of paying more money.
Who says this guy is a hypocrite (which was basically what this post topic initially stated)? How do we know this guy ever bashed Shelby? Heck, maybe he LOVES Shelby and has always spoken highly of the man. Perhaps he has always wanted a Shelby Cobra (just like most of us here) but the best he could afford at the time was a SPF. Give it a rest. ......We should ALL give it a rest. Do we have too much time on our hands, or what!?:LOL:

Nuke427,
I , like you ,do not have a problem with how he is trying to sell his car. I would also list mine under Shelby on ebay if I was trying to sell it. When I get on ebay and am looking around if I want to look at Cobras the FIRST thing I type in is Shelby. And I don't think he is misrepresenting his car or trying to rip someone off. The only point I was trying to make (granted,I wasn't planning on looking like a goofball when I started;) ) and ended up making better than I thought is that the way that ad is set up it would be easy for someone who does not know about superformance to think he was trying to sell a Shelby Cobra. Everyone here
was looking at the ad as knowledgable Cobra people and saying that they would not for a second think that was a "REAL" Shelby.

I think that most people do just what I did and skip the description box and go directly to the written description in which the first line says "This Shelby Cobra is top notch," which is a little
different than "This superformance Cobra is top notch,"

The only point I was trying to make and did poorly I guess is
that from a "Cobra laypersons" point of veiw (which no one here is looking at it from) the ad could be a little vague...

I guess I shouldn't try to make points so soon after happy hour
:D

Have a good one,
Dan