rumor control--has SAAC lost its use of Shelby name?

[Excaliber]

Amy was commenting on another site about being 'blamed' for the SAAC take over, it's clear she wasn't even consulted. I wonder how many managers/workers Shelby has done that to over the years! Left his own people twisting in the wind.

[fsstnotch]

This is EXACTLY why it would be tragic for CS to gain access to the registry

Last month, police in a Dallas suburb seized 61 cars from Unique Performance. Each of the 58 Mustangs and three Chevrolet Camaros confiscated had false vehicle identification numbers, according to police.

He can play it off like he didn't know that was going on... but please!!!! He knew damn well!

[TerrysSPF]

I would bet he knew as well. Heck, his old legal buddy (Brent Fenimore) worked for Unique. -I wonder where HE is today.

Wonder how many of those cars with phoney VIN's are listed in the Shelby registration?
-And these guys want to be in change of ALL the paperwork? What a joke.

Ernie: I hate to say this because I kinda like Amy, but..................I'm not so sure if she didn't know what was going on here. She has said herself that her and CS talk about "business" EVERY DAY. -It's hard to believe that this never came up during one of those conversations. Good business people would even discuss how to "smooth over" the crowd. Crowds like Cobra owners here (I'm sure CS knows she blogs here), as well as current & former SAAC members. Afterall, they want as many of us as they can sucker, to join the new Team Shelby club after they put SAAC out of business - right? -Especially the people / owners that have cars in the current registry in which Shelby wants control of. He will want to be able to retrieve as much information from these folks in the future (about their cars) as he (or Amy) can, so they need as smooth a transition here as possible.
And who's baby is the new Team Shelby Club? -Amy's.
So why wouldn't she be advised / included in what the plans were in how to shut down the "old" club - SAAC?
-It would only make sense to me that she knew EXACTLY what was going on.

[427sharpe]

This, from the SAAC Forum, made for some interesting reading. I have tried to google as much of it as possible and have yet to find a hole in what was written. End of day, it's all just very sad. I really find it hard to believe Amy was a doe-eyed innocent in all of this. She RUNS one of his companies for gods sake!

http://saacforum.com/index.php?topic...picseen#msg661

[Excaliber]

Of course the thought has crossed my mind Terry, but in this case I really don't think she knew. Thats based on the brief history of her posts here and on other sites (forensic text analysis ). Her initial statements were concerning the licensing division did this to SAAC, true enough and she might have known that was coming. A KEY post of hers referenced she found out the very DAY the internet found out as it concerns filing for the SAAC name. She was reading the 'letter' that same day. The circumstances seemed plausible to me and I do believe thats the case, she didn't know. Bear in mind Shelby filed for the SAAC name about two days BEFORE the letter to SAAC came out. Clearly this was a 'hush hush' hurry up and get 'em kind of move. Unexpected? In hind sight, NO. Again Amy clearly mentioned Shelby has not been happy with SAAC for some time, in a couple of posts. This is why I speculate Shelby 'jumped on SAAC' not out of money, or even power and control, he was just 'pissed off' more than anything. And has been mentioned, his lawyers were more than eager to give battle right now, lets keep it quiet, no need to talk to ANYBODY. Terrific legal advice, short on PR big time (but then PR doesn't pay there fee).

[Excaliber]

Amy also acknowledged, she IS the public figure head, she WILL get the blame, that comes with the job. And thats right, she WILL have to take the heat, regardless of what she knew and when she knew it. She's playing with some real sharks now, I suspect this is a heckuva wake up call for her as it was for many of us.

Her posts certainly seem plausible, I guess some would say it's 'plausible deniability', I'm not ready to conclude that at this time.

Man, if there is smoking gun here and Amy is left holding it, whew, what a drag! I mean is there NO ONE you can trust within the Shelby camp? And these people want to control the REGISTRY???

[What'saCobra?]

Ter
Well, Amy cannot prove a negative, so for the moment i would keep my personal powder dry on that. But you ask very proper questions, imo.

Like many here, i would like to see her succeed, as she has brought both facts and authority to this thread and others.

Notice that Mr. Shelby is quite supercillious (or genuine, depending on your POV), regarding how Amy is in-charge and "runs" things. He's only along for the ride? Not a businessman? Not an engineer? Just human resources manager?

Anytime i might hear a shrewdie like Shel' announce in such a global way that i was in charge, i would start looking around for a crowd coming our way with a rope and seeking a suitable nearby tree limb. Some folks might call it Amy's battle-field commission. i call it Shel's responsibility abandonment. Commodore Carroll has gone down with no ships.

He doesn't often telegraph his punches and leaves few traffic holes unfilled on his way to the finish line. He is very very smart, folks. And crazy like a fox on scent. But, we all know that...

[xlr8or]

If Amy ever makes a sharp turn or comes to a sudden stop Ernie is going to break his neck.

How many time on this couple of threads have you spouted off about "Amy didn't know" "Amy didn't know"....

Fact is YOU DON'T KNOW! None of us do for sure so grab some kleenex and wipe the brown stripe off your head.

Wait and see what happens. Speculate and discuss but quit trying to create facts through repitition.

[Durt]

By the time this is all over, Shelby's precious "legacy" will be on par with Leona Helmsley.

[Excaliber]

I SUPPORTED Shelby when this thread started, until the EVIDENCE showed other wise. As I've have done for many people since I first logged onto Club Cobra (even Evan AKA "TK") I'll wait for the evidence (compelling testimony, documents or whatever) on what Amy knew and when she knew it before I take a negative stand on her character. Heck I even took some serious heat for defending the K brothers at one point in time, still do...

IF she knew before hand, lend me a torch, I'll bring the rope.

I believe this was Amy B's last post on Club Cobra.:

Let's start over, I did not mislead anyone. I am sai and CSL cancelled the license. I knew the license was not being renewed. But I didn't have the perticulars, just that letters were sent and never responded too, even today still no offical response just the public posts.

I am not Carroll I do know he has been unhappy for years and a licensee should consult a licensor on the like all thing, even some things , anything, or even ask if he is happy with the way things are. etc, Somewhere in this someone forgot to check with the licensor and make them part of the process. And when Carroll has said he was unhappy, maybe someone should have delt with it instead of ignoring him. I have said from the begining all it probably would taken was a return call .

She is a VERY good PR person, or she's telling the truth, I for one believe her, until the evidence shows otherwise. SAAC states that they did in fact respond to the letter(s), by contacting Shelby attorneys directly, not by calling Amy, and why SHOULD they call Amy?

[Wayne Maybury]

Did anyone pick 50 pages? It is getting close.

I believe that some of the writers for the afternoon "soaps" are starting to take notes from this thread for an upcoming story line.

Wayne

[Jamo]

I did...before we hit 40.

[TerrysSPF]

Ernie: SAAC didn't contact Amy because Amy is not an attorney. I'm sure CS wants / wanted everything to go through his lawyers..........especially leading up to a hostile takeover.

Amy is in charge of putting Team Shelby together. Why would she not be included in the plans to dismantle the competition? If I were her and Shelby & his attorneys were doing their best to piss off all the other members she wants (actually NEEDS) to join HER club (especially those listed in the current registry), and doing all of this BEHIND HER BACK,..........well, heads would either roll, or I would submit my resignation.

What about what she was accused of doing to all the Hot Wheels clubs prior to coming to Shelby? Has anyone varified this yeat? -Seems to be too much of a coincidence to me.

I don't know (and that's just it........I DON'T know). -Hey, I hope I'm wrong in all this, but it sure is hard to swallow.

.......I'll go back to trying to dry my powder now. I keep blowing on it but it just keeps wanting to spark! Maybe I should just pour a bucket of water on it instead.

[Wayne Maybury]

Originally Posted by TerrysSPF

I don't know (and that's just it........I DON'T know). -Hey, I hope I'm wrong in all this, but it sure is hard to swallow.

Terry I'm with you on this one. I also don't know what did or did not happen but let's face it, this isn't IBM or General Motors, it is a relatively small company. It is difficult to believe that the President of one division doesn't know what's going on next door. This is all the more difficult to understand when what is happening next door, has a significant and direct effect on the President's new pet project.

One way or another Amy has been placed in a very difficult situation.

Someone is going to have to go out and get some more popcorn.

Wayne

[RodKnock]

I agree with xlr8or. Who knows what Amy knew or didn't know in this mess. She may claim ignorance, but I've always been a fan of the X-files..."trust no one." I think for many people, the legacy of CS is evaporating quickly.

Assuming this thread hits 50 pages, does the thread originator get some sort of prize? Maybe a set of Ginsu steak knives.

[bret a ewing]

..............a free membership perhaps?

[DAVID GAGNARD]

By the time this is all over, Shelby's precious "legacy" will be on par with Leona Helmsley.

If he's lucky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but he'll bounce right back, he always has........

But my guess is, it will NOT hurt the sales of the new generation of Shelby Mustangs nor the 4000/7000 series cars.............

I really think the people that care enough about all this mess is the 2000/3000 series car owners as well as the 65 thru 70 Shelby Mustang owners........

My mind was made up about CS when "he found all those forgotten frames" behind a wharehouse in the 90's, not to mention talking to "old school" Cobra and Shelby Mustang owners thru the years,especially at the SAAC events!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David

[lamaluv]

"I believe that some of the writers for the afternoon "soaps" are starting to take notes from this thread for an upcoming story line.

Wayne"

Wayne I think that you have hit on why this thread has grown so large and has become filled with so much intrigue. With the Hollywood writers being on strike they have plenty of time on their hands and can lend their creative talents to this tread.

Dick

[Don]

An Editor from Hemmings e-Weekly has included in today's e-mail an update regarding the SAAC license. I may have previously missed the comment, but mentioned is a :

" partnership with the owners of BlueOvalNews.com "

with Team Shelby ?

MUSCLE CARS
Shelby not renewing SAAC’s license

In recent weeks, we told you about Carroll Shelby severing all ties with the Shelby American Automobile Club, which began nearly 33 years ago, when folks were still driving these cars on highways and byways to work.

Well, now Shelby has terminated the SAAC’s license. The club’s license to operate expires January 31, 2008, and Shelby has announced, for unknown reasons, that he will not be renewing the license. Not only is Shelby not renewing the license, but SAAC has also been served with a letter from Shelby’s attorney, Neil Cummings & Associates, on Shelby’s behalf asking for the return of all documents, materials, registry information, financial statements and merchandise to him.

It seems like a coincidence to us that this is all coming down as Shelby Autos recently announced their own new club, called Team Shelby, in partnership with the owners of BlueOvalNews.com

The SAAC has released a statement dated November 25, 2007, which says it is proud of its many accomplishments and is looking forward to a bright future. “One of SAAC’s most important missions is to protect the integrity of the marque against the dishonest, the revisionists and the counterfeiters. Over the decades, as a result of tens of thousands of volunteer man-hours, SAAC has amassed a comprehensive data base of information on each Shelby vehicle.” The SAAC knows a good attorney is going to cost plenty of money. It is looking for donations to its legal fund, said national directors Ken Eber, Rick Kopec and Howard Pardee.

- By George Mattar

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Don

I may have previously missed the comment, but mentioned is a :

" partnership with the owners of BlueOvalNews.com "

with Team Shelby ?

The people who run the stangsunleashed,com site (which used to be s197shelbyoa.com) are turning their site into the teamshelby site.

They also run as a business blueovalnews,com and are involved in a handful of other less popular car forums.

teamshelby,com now redirects to the stangs site, said to change in January at the launch date.