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02-09-2008, 09:53 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: New Jersey,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby Cobra CSX4206 aluminum body, original 1965 NASCAR 427 SO, Dual quads.
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Once again I don't think Racer X didn't read carefully what I wrote or didn't understand what I was saying. I thought my position was very clear as stated on the SAAC site. I even marched right into the Team Shelby site and told them what I thought. If they don't like it thats fine with me they can ban me if they want. I've been banned before. No biggie. This issue is too important to all enthusiasts not to voice your opinion.
I always have said what I think. You may not agree or like it but that never stopped me. I've always called it like I see it.
Would I be willing to help mediate without a fee with or without Jamo? Assolutely as someone else says. Not that I'd be asked but I'd be willing if I was. There are others who are very knowledgable (more so then me) who would make good mediators too but I'd be willing to help.
I'll be here. Let me know.
Wickershaw: Not trying to answer for Jamo, but its best that the parties identify their own interests, desire, fears and concerns rather then anyone else state them for them. We can speculate but its best to hear it straight from them. There is many times middle ground even where you might not think so once you start the parties talking and flushing out the interests and alternate ways to accomplish them. A mediated agreemeent is many time more acceptable where the parties have fashioned their own resolution rather then leave it in the hands of a stranger (judge) where many times the risk is "winner take all". There are weaknesses on both sides that each have to be made to appreciate.
Anyway, I'll let Jamo answer for himself. Sorry.
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02-09-2008, 10:55 PM
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Would I be willing to help mediate without a fee with or without Jamo? Assolutely as someone else says.
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Ain't gonna happen, pal. No one is going to put you in a position to slip into the settlement agreement a stipulation that you have a "Real Shelby Cobra"!!!

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02-10-2008, 01:41 AM
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Wickershaw
Yes, I do indeed believe that the current dispute has many similarities to a labor dispute. My point was to indicate that even the most emotionally antagonistic situations (such as labor disputes) can be resolved.
Evan nicely explained the reasoning for having each party identify their own interests...it is an essential part of the process.
For the reading impaired: Interst-based bargaining is not typical mediation. It is a particular method of mediating.
One thing we find helpful in my world when we find the box of possible outcomes to be unacceptable is to think outside of it.
Oh, and Wickershaw...as I explained above, one of the first steps typically taken to insure the viability of interest-based bargaining is to have everyone use their best efforts to muzzle inflaming commentary about the parties, somewhat exemplified by your description of one of the parties in your post.

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02-10-2008, 05:49 AM
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The business issues involved in this could be mediated and resolved rather simply. The real problem (as with many things) in resolving this will be managing the egos involved. If they are arguing about who should have called who first, that tells you something. We may need Dr. Phil for this one!
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02-10-2008, 06:36 AM
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02-10-2008, 12:38 PM
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The business issues involved in this could be mediated and resolved rather simply. The real problem (as with many things) in resolving this will be managing the egos involved. If they are arguing about who should have called who first, that tells you something. We may need Dr. Phil for this one!
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Chappie...hmmmm...again, dealing with personal as well as institutional issues is one of the main purposes of interest-based bargaining. It is primarily used in labor relations and international diplomacy...both of which are breeding grounds of egocentric positioning.
It is NOT simple confer and compromise mediation which most lawyers are familiar with. While some litigation-mediators have adopted some of its protocols, most have little idea of how it works in multi-demensional disputes. Interest-based bargaining became a buzz word of sorts at seminars during the last several years...folks throw it out there to impress.
We've been using it in my world for several decades. It works between heads of state and business owners and union leaders...neither pairing is known to be subtle in their remarks.

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02-10-2008, 01:42 PM
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02-10-2008, 02:34 PM
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YOU ARE ONE TALENTED ARTIST/COMEDIAN!!!!!!!
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02-10-2008, 10:32 PM
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Well Buzz I must say, I have admired your abilities in the past. This is certainly a bit closer to home, still your an amazing artist, thank you for letting me have a better body in the cartoon then I have in real life ...lol
Amy
I am honored to be in one of your artistic parodies.... not my favorite topic of the moment, but so be it......
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