barrett listed cobra

[berzerko]

I started this thread because I thought the description was odd I did not think it was going to bring out hostility real or not it seems like a fair price for an aluminum bodied car and it is what the market commanded

JB has it right these cars are meant to be driven

real 1 I sense a tone that you feel all other cobras are cheap imitations to your "real 1" yet your tired of the attitude on the threads?


Bobby

[vegasmike]

nevermind, nothing to add

[REAL 1]

No tone intended.

Just stating facts.

I think there are alot of great quality cars out there that aren't "Shelby's" and that are great tributes to the Cobra. I have alot of respect for many of the quality replicas like ERA, SPF, Contemporary and some others. I have also owned an ERA and an Excalibur and think they are great cars.

Then there are some that are quite candidly cheap imitations.

Fact is if its not a Shelby, original, continuation or completion it is an imitation of a Cobra. Not saying this is bad or good nor intending any "put down" but it is what it is. Certainly this is not a surprise to you. Just stating facts.

Takes care.

[mrmustang]

As a general question out to those reading this thread:

So what happens when a car Shelby sells is not actually produced by Shelby? is it still considered a Shelby? Or is it viewed as something else?


Bill S.

[REAL 1]

Hmmm. Interesting. You mean like the original series Cobras?


Takes care.

[RedCSX1]

Just general information that may be unrelated or related depending on how you look at it.
I do know there were some frames and bodies sold by Shelby to individuals with the agreement that the car when complete could not be registred asa Shelby and the ID on the frames were filed off.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Hmmm. Interesting. You mean like the original series Cobras?


Takes care.

Nope, you are way off base.

[REAL 1]

As usual, I don't think so.

Takes care.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

As usual, I don't think so.

Takes care.

Evan,

It's not "all about you week at CC".


Think on a broader scale than just you or what you own.

[REAL 1]

Its not????

Takes care.

[G.R.]

Bye Real(fake)1---you'll be back. But you definitely didn't get Bill's question.

[Traveller]

I'll take a stab.

A "Real 1" is anything Shelby says it is, whether he had anything to do with its construction, or not.

[saltytri]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

No tone intended.

Just stating facts.

Right. And pigs can fly.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

I was a bit curious as to the B-J claim that this car was "built in the 70's." Huh???

Ned,

The registry says that the fake CSX 3060 is the Brian Angliss built CSX 30601 that was repaired after an accident with new serial number plates. Do you know when Brian built CSX 30601?

[REAL 1]

GR: Nope, I got his question. I think you need to read the question again.

Very simply the originals were not produced 100% by SAI as I recall. Let see...there was a little company known as,...yeah thats right I remember now.. AC, that had some involvement. I heard they fabricated the chasis and bodies or something like that. In fact the Brits still take most of the credit for the Cobra and it has been a raging debat for nearly 50 years between the U.S. Cobra enthusiats and British Cobra enthusiasts as to who should get most of the credit for the Cobra and wouldn't ya know it...why yes you guys are even arguing over this issue right now about this issue and a Wikepedia article on the subject. How timely.

Over the course of history Shelby/SAI has had more involvement with the construction, design, improvement of some vehicles that are or become "Shelbys" then others. There is a "sliding scale of fabrication involvement or design involvement or improvement involvement" depending on the vehicle. with some vehicles Shelby/SAI have had less involvement with, like some Mustangs for instance the new Shelby GT500 while other Mustangs he had more involvement with e.g. the original GT350R etc.., Both are "Shelbys" nevertheless. Even some Cobras he has had more involvement with like the original Daytonas, having performed substantial fabrication to the build or re-build effort as the case may be. His fabrication developement of the original coupe was certainly greater that the original Cobra roadsters. Both, however, were still not entirely an SAI products but are certainly "Shelbys".

Bottom line. Its actually quite simple. If Shelby/SAI say its a Shelby and if the Shelby's name legally appears on the car, its a Shelby like the original Cobras, completion Cobras and Continuation Cobras which all legally and rightfully carry the Shelby name and pedigree. Game over because at the end of the day thats all that counts.

Thats how I see it. I think this is consistent with the plain facts and reality.

You guys can play semantics all day though.



Takes care.

[ENTDOC]

groundhog day?

[REAL 1]

On this subject...its always groundhog day.

Love Bill Murray.

[ng8264723]

REAL1,
You seem to very full of yourself. I'm so happy you have a SHELBY. You must be very proud. I bought a much lower quality car a Kirkham. I would rather take the extra money that I would of paid to have the CS name and let's see buy a 2003 SVT Cobra and a 2008 Duramax and go on a cruise. I wish I could be like you. I just couldn't afford it. Your sign on, "REAL1" says it all. Anyone who needs to advertise that has a insecurity problem. Good luck with your real car. Let me goto the garage and look at my fake one
chris

[Nedsel]

If Brian Angliss built cars with chassis numbers like the original Shelby cars but with an extra character, he didn't admit it. AutoKraft, which bought and became the successor entity of AC Cars, generally built new chassis/body composites to reconstruct original Cobras, and they built the AC Mk. IVs. We know Brian has built several cars with unusual VINs, but using the VIN of an S/C that was never built in the original 60's production and then adding a 1 at the end makes no sense at all. Can anyone shed any light on this?

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

If Brian Angliss built cars with chassis numbers like the original Shelby cars but with an extra character, he didn't admit it. AutoKraft, which bought and became the successor entity of AC Cars, generally built new chassis/body composites to reconstruct original Cobras, and they built the AC Mk. IVs. We know Brian has built several cars with unusual VINs, but using the VIN of an S/C that was never built in the original 60's production and then adding a 1 at the end makes no sense at all. Can anyone shed any light on this?

I have never heard of the serial number with the 1 at the end, but I do know for a fact that Brian built several cars using CSX3000 numbers. He did this basically as a slap to Carroll for the bogus frame deal, in which AC had the rights to use those numbers, not Carroll. So there actually are a few double VIN cars, each one legit. Some sold through Shelby, and some sold through AC. I have never heard the fake 3060 was an Angliss car though.