barrett listed cobra

[Ron61]

1ntCobra,

Could you tell me what page of the new registry that the information about CSX 3060 is on? I have looked for it in mine and mine goes to 3055 and then the next one listed is 3063. Is it in some special place or is my registry just missing some?

Thanks,

Ron

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by computerworks

...you just did.

Ron,

I know Ned is the registrar for the original cobras. I assumed that Ned was not the registrar for the completion cobras since he seemed unfamiliar with the entry that lists CSX 3060 that mentions the fake CSX 3060. I thought if Ned wrote that, he would recall it instantly since apparently his memory is much better than mine.

By the way, since at least you and I know who the Kirkham registrar is, I was wondering why his picture was not included with the pictures of the other registrars in the beginning of the registry...

[PANAVIA]

In any project, it takes a team to complete something , in the 1960s Shelby American was just one team that was able to use FORD engines, and AC chassis with some sweat equity and hard work to finish the cars. if shelby HAD NOT come along there might have been a few other AC cars built but possibly not to the level they have been built up to today.

if there is one thing Carroll is good at, it is getting people exited about an idea.

[computerworks]

...he is nowhere as pretty as Ned.

[Ron61]

1ntCobra,

Thanks for the information. I haven't spent a lot of time with mine yet and have just glanced through the index. I guess I should take some time and get familiar with it as I have spent most of my time reading about the Daytonas and Gt-40s.

Ron

[REAL 1]

Ah, yes. John, you do make me laugh now and then.

Takes care.

"Baba Looey".

[CHANMADD]

I usually try not to get involved in these types of "verbal banter" threads....but some times I cannot restrain myself...
"Real 1" ...I believe does not have a Cobra anymore???
I have built and helped many builds over the years and there are very many
varied types of Cobra owners....Some just want a Cobra because it looks good!.......Some because it's fast!.... Some because it's the ultimate MACHO
machine!.... And some because it cost the most!!!
The "REAL" Cobra ...I can guarantee you does not give the owner any more driving pleasure than the "cheap" replica does,...In fact the owner of the "REAL" one probably is so busy being the "Owner of the REAL one" that the pleasure part of it does not even matter!!

[HI Cobra]

Bet that red light is starting to blink now.

[Nedsel]

Yes, I am familiar with the completion cars registry entry as it relates to "both" of the 3060 cars. I am also familiar with the car supposedly numbered 30601 by Brian Angliss, as this is not its first appearance at Barrett-Jackson; it was there several years ago and advertised as CSX 3060. What I question is the idea that Angliss built it in the 70's and actually numbered it 30601. I suspect it was originally built later than that, and was initially numbered 3060, and then had the 1 added to its VIN to differentiate it from the car that Shelby built through McCluskey as a completion car.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Yes, I am familiar with the completion cars registry entry as it relates to "both" of the 3060 cars. I am also familiar with the car supposedly numbered 30601 by Brian Angliss, as this is not its first appearance at Barrett-Jackson; it was there several years ago and advertised as CSX 3060. What I question is the idea that Angliss built it in the 70's and actually numbered it 30601. I suspect it was originally built later than that, and was initially numbered 3060, and then had the 1 added to its VIN to differentiate it from the car that Shelby built through McCluskey as a completion car.

Now I'm more confused. I got the impression that 30601 was the fake CSX 3060 from the registry. Is the auction car not 30601, but yet a different fake CSX 3060?

[Jamo]

Ned, what happens in Vegas...

[Excaliber]

If the BJ 3060 was not built by McC or Anglis that would justify the low sale price, which may be right on target for this car. That would also explain it's less than steller accuracy to original detail.

Question then becomes: WHO did build it? What alloy body might have been used for it's construction?

[Nedsel]

Jamo, we all know the Vegas slogan, but the SEMA show is coming up and it's a sure thing we'll all be reading about what was there in every automotive publication out there, as well as right here at CC. So I'm not sure everyone buys into that Vegas concept. Maybe it's supposed to be limited to what we do with all those, ah, handouts that the corner-workers thrust into your hands as you walk along the strip. You know - the ones that are advertising all kinds of body parts unrelated to automobiles.

[REAL 1]

We each no doubt strive to own that which gives us the most pleasure both in driving and ownership experience.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

If the BJ 3060 was not built by McC or Anglis that would justify the low sale price, which may be right on target for this car. That would also explain it's less than steller accuracy to original detail.

Question then becomes: WHO did build it? What alloy body might have been used for it's construction?

I have seen an early Brian Angliss car in my neighborhood. It has some rather interesting details. It has a 427 style body, but the gas filler cap is FIA style and has really short side pipes. I think there were some other details that were not original, but I only saw the car twice for short periods of time.

[What'saCobra?]

Regarding CSX 30XX cars from AC run by Brian Angliss:
My records do not show any Angliss 30601 nor any 3060, as of just before he "sold" AC (actually, the gangsters from the accountancy employed as agency for the bancrupcy pushed him out the door, quite ungraciously and foolishly).

There remains the potential for various "creative" entries during the period of A C Cars Group Limited operations under the notorious Lubinski Buttinski. Documents do exist, such as letters of "assurance", though i have not seen them personally; which i understand are signed by L. Recall that it would be illegal in GB for ACCG to issue any document on ACC stationary or legal documents. ACCG only purchased the assets, not either the going concern or the liabilities of ACC. But, i might expect to see an ACC (Malta) document, dated after the close of ACC (GB) and perhaps even after the close of ACCG (GB).

There were only the 3 continuation cars 3056, 3057 and 3058, spread over from 1992 to 1995. There was another, 3070 which was reportedly shoved under an original data plate, but there is extant a 3070 that has been continuously owned since the early 90's, so perhaps i was mis-informed about that number.

3056 is in England, owned by a fellow who also now owns the last 289 AC COBRA, 3057 is in Germany owned by a charming racer's wife and 3058 is in Detroit getting its first engine & tranny (top-loader) installation with the great Dave Wagner in Northville, IL. Genuine NOS. Never run. Strictly a race car, see my pics (no engine in photos). We never wanted 3058 finished as a street SC, but only as a racer.

Interestingly, during the MKIV days, it appears that some serialized MKIV's were in reality MKIII racers and streeters. That is, they were built to specs at variance with the British regulations and shipped out of country (though a few may have slipped back in, i suppose, heh, heh.) i cannot track or identify them. Brian was always really good about building what you wanted. But, he wouldn't build something too stupid and probably ignored some dumb offers.

Attached is pic from last fall at Dave's. Note no pipe holes in lower fender. Note aly 1/2 tonneau.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by What'saCobra?

Attached is pic from last fall at Dave's. Note no pipe holes in lower fender.

V, is the broomstick hood prop SCCA legal?

[What'saCobra?]

S, hi, given the season, it is a "real" broomstick element, but CS would not sign it. i used to use it on SCCA tech inspectors to facilitate stickering for events. i am still FAA low altitude approved for single stick events.

[REAL 1]

CSX 3056, 3057 and 3058 are "completion Cobras" NOT continuation Cobras.

4000 series are continuation Cobras

Takes care.

[What'saCobra?]

1. You don't have to SHOUT.
2. Explain the difference to me, regarding that its particular source was AC Cars, Limited (the original source of very nearly all Cobra cars from the beginning of time), whilst owned and operated by Brian Angliss and authorized by FORD Motor Company to call them Cobras...
3. You may have missed the essential AC Cars Limited serial number. This is an SC, in the line of SC's, not a new line of numbers, not a changed design, part of the set of 100 that was intended to be built for homologation purposes (if we wish to believe that intent; which, could they have been sold (very unlikely indeed), might have happened as "promised".
4. Or, have i answered my own question?
5. Which would i rather have and why? The chassis certainly was not built in the day, but laid down around 1992 or so.

thx