"wet Paint" where should I order this stuff?

[Ron61]

Just my 2¢ worth. when I had my Cobra I used it from 1996 to 2007 when I sold it and never had any problems with it at all. I use it and other waxes on the 69 Cobra and can't tell much difference in the shine. As for the swirls, if you want a perfect finish then I would have to take mine to a detailer. If you look close out in the sun on the 69, which is red, you can see some of them. But I could also see them on my other car which I only used McGuires on.

Ron

[efnfast]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Just my 2¢ worth. when I had my Cobra I used it from 1996 to 2007 when I sold it and never had any problems with it at all. I use it and other waxes on the 69 Cobra and can't tell much difference in the shine. As for the swirls, if you want a perfect finish then I would have to take mine to a detailer. If you look close out in the sun on the 69, which is red, you can see some of them. But I could also see them on my other car which I only used McGuires on.

Ron

Of course, swirls, RIDs, and other micro-marring is caused by abrassion against the clearcoat, almost always when washing/drying/detailing (e.g., quick detailer) the vehicle improperly.....it has nothing to do with product selection (e.g., using Meguiars over something else)

[Ron61]

Originally Posted by efnfast

Of course, swirls, RIDs, and other micro-marring is caused by abrassion against the clearcoat, almost always when washing/drying/detailing (e.g., quick detailer) the vehicle improperly.....it has nothing to do with product selection (e.g., using Meguiars over something else)

I do use the clay-bar on one of my cars and it has the same imperfections in it that the others had. But you have to look close to see them on any of the cars. I am not interested in a perfect finish since I don't show my cars but drive them and 99% of the people that look at them never see the swirls and other small imperfections. Just a couple of painters who asked me what I use and when I told them they said that was a good job for a driven car and me just waxing them and not spending days detailing them. Also there is no way to hide the rock picks and most people seem to prefer that a car be driven to a perfect trailer queen around this area and the shows up North.

Ron

[efnfast]

Originally Posted by Ron61

I do use the clay-bar on one of my cars and it has the same imperfections in it that the others had. But you have to look close to see them on any of the cars. I am not interested in a perfect finish since I don't show my cars but drive them and 99% of the people that look at them never see the swirls and other small imperfections. Just a couple of painters who asked me what I use and when I told them they said that was a good job for a driven car and me just waxing them and not spending days detailing them. Also there is no way to hide the rock picks and most people seem to prefer that a car be driven to a perfect trailer queen around this area and the shows up North.

Ron

Well, you could always blocksand and re-paint your car every year; that's one way to hide rock chips

Clay bars won't remove any imperfections such as RIDs, scratches, swirls, etc... - infact, chances are they'll actually induce a few because, unless you're kneeding the clay every square inch, you'll induce a bit of marring here and there, it's inevitable (but fine, because you always follow with a polish after a clay anyways) ... all clay does is remove surface contamination, so when you're polishing you're not grinding it down into the paint/pads

[TButtrick]

Originally Posted by efnfast

Well, you could always blocksand and re-paint your car every year; that's one way to hide rock chips

Clay bars won't remove any imperfections such as RIDs, scratches, swirls, etc... - infact, chances are they'll actually induce a few because, unless you're kneeding the clay every square inch, you'll induce a bit of marring here and there, it's inevitable (but fine, because you always follow with a polish after a clay anyways) ... all clay does is remove surface contamination, so when you're polishing you're not grinding it down into the paint/pads

ummm.. you're supposed to wash the car first. THEN use the clay bar WITH show shine which includes SILICONE which LUBRICATES the surface so you don't F@#K it up. Good grief.

[efnfast]

Originally Posted by TButtrick

ummm.. you're supposed to wash the car first. THEN use the clay bar WITH show shine which includes SILICONE which LUBRICATES the surface so you don't F@#K it up. Good grief.

Your point being?

It's clay. Clay picks up imbedded ****. Unless you're kneeding it every square inch or two, eventually you're goign to get a piece of **** in it that will leave a micro-marr or two behind until you kneed it into the clay.

I don't care how much lube you use, eventually you will, unless your surface is pretty much clean to start with, pick up something in it which will abbrade against the surface.

And it's a really moot point if your clearcoat is relatively soft - you'll get micro-marring all over the vehicle from just the teeniest bit of dirt getting trapped in the clay.

[Ron61]

Though I did change and kneed the clay after wiping every few inches I had sprayed, I am just not that worried about a few imperfections in the paint that people have to look hard to see. Besides I now no longer have any cars except my daily driver and it hasn't even been washed in 3 years.
I just never did strive for the perfection that the show car people did. As long as mine looked nice, I was happy. I knew that the next trip out and racing around the track and in the sand and dirt it would be a mess again..

Ron

[TButtrick]

Originally Posted by efnfast

Your point being?

I don't care how much lube you use, eventually you will, unless your surface is pretty much clean to start with, pick up something in it which will abbrade against the surface.

My point being is the one you just made. Wash the car and start with a clean surface. I don't think people who haven't washed or waxed their car in years are the same ones going out and buying clay bars. My car has never seen a conventional wash. Just show shine between clay bar and waxes once a year. Other than the usual road patina, in 7 years and 65K miles, the paint is perfect.