Where have our members gone? (or, the self-absorption of Evan)

[A-Snake]

"Where have our members gone?"

Speaking of Peter, Paul & Mary songs, did you hear Mary Travers died last week? ....oh 'members', never mind.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

... did you hear Mary Travers died last week?

Yep, and she never did get to drive her Cobra either. Oh wait, I'm mixing up threads again....

[REAL 1]

Petty envy, sour grapes, the desire to knock SAI and Carroll Shelby and demean his cars and the owners of his continuation cars whenever they tired to defend their cars (except for the originals) have developed a toxic atomosphere over the years. Kinda hard to maintain or nurture interest in Cobra replicas, original Cobras or continuation series Cobras and the hobby in general when guys spend most of their time taking pot shots at SAI, Shelby and his cars. SAAC setting the record straight on the continuation series didn't even stop some from carrying on. There were some other issues but that was the most toxic subject discussed here by far.

What did you expect when so called "enthusiasts" here who were supposed to be Cobra/Shelby fans spent more time knocking Shelby and his cars which indirectly is a put down to the Cobra in general and the hobby then building up the hobby and the Cobra as you would expect of any enthusiast site.

The attitude of some was so bad and the infighting in this Cobra hobby so bad that at one time I even considered selling my beautiful Shelby Cobra because of it and then realized why should I sell my car because of the bad attitude and jealous envy of others motivating many to put the car down. Glad I never sold her. Its almost ten years now and I still love driving her.

The results here are no surprise to me.

My only interest here is limited to setting the record straight when I see some post knocking or putting down the Continuation series.

Beyond that I have no interest here.

There are a few guys here that I do like and don't fall into my general feelings and opinion as stated.

Flame on.

Takes care.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Petty envy, sour grapes, the desire to knock SAI and Carroll Shelby and demean his cars except for the originals have developed a toxic atomosphere over the years. Kinda hard to maintain or nurture interest in Cobra replicas when guys spend most of their time taking pot shots at SAI and Shelby

What did you expect when so called enthusiasts who were supposed to be Cobra/Shelby fans spent more time knocking Shelby and his cars then building up the hobby and the Cobra as you would expect of any enthusiast site.

The results are no surprise to me.

And here's my 0.01%. Hello Evan. Just kidding.

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

....bad attitude and jealous envy of others motivating many to put the car down.....

Are you really so self centered that you think we are jealous and envious of you and your car?

You appear to be the one with the problem, not others.

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

Are you really so self centered that you think we are jealous and envious of you and your car?

You appear to be the one with the problem, not others.

Silver,
Did you change your avatar because of Ms Fletch?

[HI Cobra]

HYM810ANCE,
Great to hear your input. In my book you are a special, rare bird. My wife
did not have your exposure while growing up, but had more than a lot. She
has been a big help when I need tools or a hold back when wrenching on my
Cobra (or other car for that matter). She loves to cruise in the beast and
has driven it too. I have to agree with the memories - it is the path taken
and not the arrival at the destination that provides the best memories. I think
most here will agree with that.

Please don't be such a stranger!

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Silver,
Did you change your avatar because of Ms Fletch?

When my wife and I joined some of the NW members for the run over to Sun Mountain Lodge in Winthrop this year, one of the ladies mentioned that she was offended by my old avatar. Out of respect for her, I changed it when we returned from the trip.

[Argess]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

Are you really so self centered that you think we are jealous and envious of you and your car?

You appear to be the one with the problem, not others.

Based on the fact I don't like the above poster (due to comments he once made on one of my posts), I feel free to point out that the above quote is exactly the kind of thing that that turns people off from forum contributions.

I even like that Dr. guy better, and that's not saying much.

Great....now I've broken my own rule and havn't been able to ignore what I'd of liked to......

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by Argess

Based on the fact I don't like the above poster (due to comments he once made on one of my posts), I feel free to point out that the above quote is exactly the kind of thing that that turns people off from forum contributions.

I even like that Dr. guy better, and that's not saying much.

Great....now I've broken my own rule and havn't been able to ignore what I'd of liked to......

One of my faults is that I tend to speak my mind, and I'm sometimes blunt about it. It's something that I'm aware of, and try to work on. Sometimes I just screw up.

If I offended you, I'm truely sorry and offer my sincere appology.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

Evan, Are you really so self centered that you think we are jealous and envious of you and your car?

You appear to be the one with the problem, not others.

John,

Evan is an attorney by trade who gets off on the sheer conflict here. If you ignore him, you win, if you give him the attention he desires, you lose. Basic psychology 101.....



Bill S.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

John,
Evan is an attorney by trade who gets off on the sheer conflict here...

Bill, his problems are much deeper than that.

[tcrist]

I do know one thing. Since the election for the POTUS, there has been too much political BS here. This is a Cobra forum and I wish it would go back to that.
I wonder if there is a way to set up a politics sub forum for people that want to talk politics and then be able to block that whole forum if you do not want to see that crap everytime you do a "NEW POSTS" search.

Rant Over, Terry

[RodKnock]

I like this Forum.

I belong to a few other forums and they're not nearly as good and I post far less. Some forums nit pick every little detail of a car. I mean they REALLY pick the fly-poop out of the pepper. Forums devoted to newer model cars, well, all they talk about is stereos and wheels. Then there's another forum that has way too many people who want to pee all over your parade. Try and post something for sale over there and you should head for the hills. Other fourms are WAY too technical for me and it becomes boring.

"Whilst" I still read and post on other forums, I like it here best.

[RedBarchetta]

This statement won't be popular with some, but I'll say it anyway:

I have seen a lot of threads/posts on CC that would have been locked or deleted by admins on other similar forums for their negative connotations and/or content.

You don't see a lot of that here, and maybe that is applauded by some (i.e. freedom of speech). But the lack of controlled censor, in my humble opinion, can turn more people off than attract. Newbies read the bickering and think, "What a bunch of losers...I will go ask somewhere else."

Again, thicker skins prevail (and I can hang with anyone here). But the administration of the overall banter is not neutral and that lends to turning off some.

-Dean

[N2VENOM]

Originally Posted by RedBarchetta

This statement won't be popular with some, but I'll say it anyway:

I have seen a lot of threads/posts on CC that would have been locked or deleted by admins on other similar forums for their negative connotations and/or content.

Newbies read the bickering and think, "What a bunch of losers...I will go ask somewhere else."



-Dean

I have talked to newbie’s and potential cobra owners many times face to face about the content of ClubCobra and get mostly positive feedback. But some new cobra aficionados are afraid to post because of the hostility towards their questions or comments. What bothers me are the several one liners that have nothing to do with the original threads. (Maybe the competition of who has the most posts.) The moderators need to watch the responses to new member posts from those who are too uptight for this forum. I think that this forum needs to mellow out and get back to enjoying the hobby that brought everyone together in the first place. Peace, Darren

[RodKnock]

Dean, I'll have to disagree. Without at least some banter, good natured ribbing and such, typical of gearheads and bench racing, then the site would be plain boring.

I think Jamo and Ron do an excellent job, They recently let a little banter go, and then when it got to be too much, Ron stepped in with a "Come on guys."

I won't mention any names, but there was one person recently who was really annoying, but for the most part, there are plenty of sites where the banter is far far worse.

[mrmustang]

Plenty of the older members are still lurking around and posting far less than they used to. At times it is as if the same questions get asked over and over again.

What cobra should I buy?
Which is better, big block or small block?
What color should I paint my car?


etc and so forth.


Bill S.

[KevinW]

Can I chip in, as a relative newcomer, ....... and a goddam foreigner? ::-):

We have had similar experiences on the UK cobraclub site, we still get the 'which car is best' stuff, and now we all rub along reasonably well. The argments over who's car is best were fought and lost (by everyone) years ago, and now we have a collective 'look, I got this car, and i'll tell you its great coz I bought/built it' and then 'if you want to know which is best for you, get along to a local meet and talk to some owners and take a ride in some'. We pi$$-take each other and their cars when we know these people. There is a common concensus I think on the price banding or typical costs of each car, but no agreemnt on which is best. we agree to diagree I guess.

Lots of UK guys buy ready built because, particularly since the toxic assets scandal, its cheaper to buy than build. I probably lost around 10-20% selling my last car this year compared to 2007.

I like coming here because this is the only place I can get anyone to answer my pedantic authenticity questions. And thanks to those who have - its a great resource, to which i have yet to significantly contribute.

I dont really get the Guns thing, but I gues thats a transatlantic divide. To each their own.

When I first started looking around here during the election, I didnt care for the oft-ignorant / sometimes racist tones of some of the posts. I was pleased to see moderators pitch in, so i stuck around.

I made the mistake early on of adding a post or 2 on the health reforms, as some uninformed comments were posted on UK health care, which I know quite a lot about. I got flamed, unreasonably, imho, so i'll not bother there anymore.

well thats my experience from across the water, for what its worth.

[Dangerous Doug]

Originally Posted by KevinW

I made the mistake early on of adding a post or 2 on the health reforms, as some uninformed comments were posted on UK health care, which I know quite a lot about. I got flamed, unreasonably, imho, so i'll not bother there anymore.

The US Health Care debates must be a great source of amusement for those of you outside the US. Sorry to hear you got flamed over your comments. Yes, there is a great deal of misinformation floating around and for some reason this is an extremely emotional issue for some people.

Please accept an apology from the rest of us.

Dd