Looking For An Alloy CSX4000? Here Ya Go - Page 7

RodKnock · #1 (**permalink**) 10-01-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunner

So... exactly what would Penske/Saturn have been, if Penske is just a manager and some hired factory (GM at first, then probably someone like Daewoo or Cherry) builds the cars? Call me really old fashioned, but I think cars are one thing that need to be built by whoever sells them, not shopped out like contract computers.

And, um, that goes double for exotics like "Shelbys." IMHO. YMMV.

Well, technically the Kirkham bodies come from Poland.

I believe the rumor had it that Renault was going to build the cars for Saturn/Penske.

Excaliber · #2 (**permalink**) 10-01-2009, 03:12 PM

I think the issue with the CSX is about final assembly more than any other issue. Like when AC was builing them, various sources for the parts and a LOT of "in house". In the end, clearly and solidly an AC product. A little fuzzy on some CSX builds in that regard...

Some years ago one of our members had a Kirkham and all though the details remain fuzzy at some point that car was able to secure a CSX number. OK, interesting turn of event's, a car worthy of carrying the name certainly. But it does leave one scratching his head.

In another case individual parts and pieces were purchased, not always directly through Shelby, and the car was "home built",,, just a bit of a head scratcher.

Will RodKnocks car, at some point in it's life time, come to bear a CSX number? Couldn't rule it out...

RodKnock · #3 (**permalink**) 10-01-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

Will RodKnocks car, at some point in it's life time, come to bear a CSX number? Couldn't rule it out...

Where did I put my checkbook? It's here somewhere.

Oh, there it is. OK, now...who do I make it payable to?

razerwire · #4 (**permalink**) 10-01-2009, 04:40 PM

Can be big diff. between 4000 shelbys. Just as can be big diff with any E.R.A., superformance , factory five or ? The cars are sum of its parts and who put together . Fit and finish can be all over place. Shelby spent a lot of time on fiberglass body so it would be true shape. Alum bodys furnished by A.C., Kirkham, are very good, I don't like Kemper, Leahy, Kimmins bodys because of shape. Just to flat at top of dash and behind seats, does not bow up as much. Lets face it we all like for our cars to be as close as possible to early cars. We want ford motors even if chevy motors cost less per hp. than ford. Some want Shelby to sign dash . The closer to shelby specs the car is adds value some would say. Some of shelbys dealers were or are better than others. The price of Shelby cars seem to vary more than others, looks like a fair price for alum car.

Excaliber · #5 (**permalink**) 10-01-2009, 05:07 PM

Which illustrates precisely WHY the Kirkhams are in the registry, someone watching like a hawk, now, not so much in the early days.

RodKnock · #6 (**permalink**) 10-01-2009, 05:14 PM

Does my CSX block count for anything?

Do I get a discount or credit if I upgrade my package?

Excaliber · #7 (**permalink**) 10-01-2009, 05:31 PM

In the years to come there may well be discussions about the pedigree of various continuation CSX's, Air CSX, Duplicate CSX, fraud CSX, Twin CSX's, CSX body on a SPF chassis (oh you would be SO busted). History has a tendency to repeat itself...

What'saCobra? · #8 (**permalink**) 10-01-2009, 09:06 PM

Historians also have a tendency to repeat themselves.

RodKnock · #9 (**permalink**) 10-01-2009, 11:13 PM

Evan and Trevor can't be far behind.

madmaxx · #10 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 07:17 AM

I am thinking about a fake 1955 Becker Porsche Spyder, anyone know about them? Pretty cool looking little cars weighing in at 1300lbs with 180 hp engine for about $30k. I

Excaliber · #11 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 11:17 AM

All prejudice aside, it is a MARKET fact that the Shelby name add's value to the car. OK, not to some, but the market has spoken, the results are in.

madmaxx · #12 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 01:45 PM

I promise not to bring up the Porshe spyder in this thread again, LOL. Problem is I have seen 10 Cobras in and about where I live in South Houston, I have never seen one 1955 Porsche Spyder in all of Houston or my travels. I have been shunned my whole life, LOL, why should it stop now. The bottom of the pit, cracked fiberglass cobro replica owner far out paces the best Porsche owner, unless she is 5'8 with her own big blocks. Loking at the Spyder website and construction of the 1300 lb car an SPF should cost twice as much, but it appears they hold togehter. This thread has a wealth of information on Kirkham and CSX's it is a shame it will be buried under a title not reflective of it content.

I beat a 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo Cabrilot, barely but I beat him back in the Spring. He was pissed off he lost in his new $135K car and I was pissed I didnt beat him more. His car sounded like a jet airplane. On a side note street racing in Houston is a $2k fine.

RodKnock · #13 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 02:27 PM

For $16,000 extra on the Kirkham's option sheet, some people would believe that the original type suspension IS better than the Kirkham's lighter stronger more precise billet aluminum suspension.

patrickt · #14 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

For $16,000 extra on the Kirkham's option sheet, some people would believe that the original type suspension IS better than the Kirkham's lighter stronger more precise billet aluminum suspension.

Didn't I read that the original suspension option has been discontinued for lack of interest?

RodKnock · #15 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

Didn't I read that the original suspension option has been discontinued for lack of interest?

I hadn't heard that, but that doesn't mean anything.

Excaliber · #16 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 02:45 PM

Modern, newer, better, cheaper, all relative terms. I would prefer the original style suspension for the same reason I would prefer an FE over any other type of engine. It just feels right to me.

RodKnock · #17 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

Modern, newer, better, cheaper, all relative terms. I would prefer the original style suspension for the same reason I would prefer an FE over any other type of engine. It just feels right to me.

Well, FE's have been modernized as well. CSX/Pond/Genesis blocks, Edelbrock/BT/CSX heads, Weber-ish looking EFI, Erson/T&D/Jessel roller rocker arms, H-beam connecting rods, the list goes on and on.

Other modern items such as Wilwood versus Girling brakes, the CSX/Kirkham bodies are made with thicker (0.050" vs. 0.059") aluminum, etc. But that's what makes all of us different buyers for different cars.

patrickt · #18 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 03:03 PM

Ernie, has a point... but on the other hand, the only original piece of metal on my FE is the block itself.

RodKnock · #19 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

Ernie, has a point... but on the other hand, the only original piece of metal on my FE is the block itself.

Which is my point.

Modern is good, just like Gordon Gecko said it in Wall Street, I mean greed is good.

For my build, and I say that with all modesty because I did almost nothing, I kinda liked the idea of my Cobra weighing in 2,128 lbs or whatever. I saw weight, or lack thereof, as a positive.

patrickt · #20 (**permalink**) 10-02-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Which is my point.

A point which you brought forth with alacrity and grace. Deviations from the original design may be made for safety, or performance. Certainly the former, to a lesser extent the latter.