ABS / Traction Control

[Doubledip]

Originally Posted by Zedn

Sideshow and Doubledip,

I just wanted your opinion on it for which you are entitled to have. Thankyou for that. Sounds like the issue isnt the equipment but the availability of people that can tune them.

Sorry DaveW to go off topic a little but as i promised pics of the GMPP loom and the problems i see that the end user has to deal with.

harness is just so long every where that it is just a mess.. take a lot of time and effort to fix up - and why it maybe cheap but i would want it to pretty much fit perfectly




A few more pics





they leave a adapter plug so it can suit either map sensor... good for multi fit but just looks dreadful

and lastly the looms are desgned for manual so you need to buy an auto computer as well and it is a big ugly mother along with an octupus for a harness








along with this mess still had to add in wires between the auto to manual, supply your own terminals (which arent easy to get) for the bulkhead plug and supply your own plug and termials and wire in the Alternator as it was setup for the US alternator but a VE one was fitted.

Also another thing i remembered , cause we have an auto then we need to plug the speed sender wire into the auto from the TCM , which means the Engine ECU now has no speed reference into it and as there is now no speed output wire as the TCM doesnt cater for this.. will either require some splicing in or may even need a booster box once spliced in.... All this is catered for in the aussie style modified looms

these are just my opinion , but when you are paying good money for a harness and ecu etc.. you would want it to be able to do all and fit nicely pretty much straight up .. not need you to remove and shorten nearly every wire in the harness.

I am not preaching for all cobra owners to buy looms through us ,but more of a warning for what you are getting into. Most of the harness guys here in Asutralia suppl y a fairly snug fitting loom to the engine and just the fuse relay area differs and i would say they are all better than one of these harnesses.

M2CW

and DaveW remember to call me when you are back and we will see if we can sort that mess out you have of a Kit. If the loom matches the ECU and the ECU partnumber is 12597121 then it is an easy fix to get cruise and ABS/Traction going... its just whether you want to part with the folding stuff to pursue the ABS/Traction but the cruise is not that expensive.

[DaveW]

Craig,
thanks for your input, please excuse my ignorance,
I intend to put a Kinsler 8TB manifold on the LS7, so i assume it will be "Mafless" ?

What would you suggest as the ideal ECU for this,

cheers

Dave

[sideshow]

hehe i know how much u hate us ozcobra
feelings r mutal

we r not compalining about them taking work from us

we have had some complaints about them
especially from some tuners saying the e67 is a pain to tune
we dont touch those looms so the bad comments r not from us
they r from the 20 or so calls we have had regarding the e67 ecu
the shop thats sells these kits knows fuk all about what they r selling
so in the end we get the calls and tell them we can strip your loom down and
wire up an e38
i guess in the end its the tuner thats not experienced enough but we just try to steer clear from the e67s due to this

hey dave u might as well take your car to ozcobra or 400tt as they seem to know about the abs and trc setups and since no more cobra guys come to us due to these forums

we dont want nothing from anyone on here that is y i turned of my pmming and do not reply to friends request and in the end when people like davew will suffer because
many people will give him a bum steer on info because 99% of people on hereknows jack **** about how the abs and trc and cruise all works
so what might happen is if he does email us we might say to f off because he is part of the cobra club and we all know how we feel about this
i have not bagged anyone on here this time
i just gave my feelings on the gmmp looms which we have had afew unhappy custoemrs with them and they have come to us to help them

everyone on here has many comments regarding other parts or mechanical stuff for cobras some good some bad but the minute we bag a product that is sold by someone on here everyone arcs up i feel a phone call again from mr mizzi here
seems like its ok to repremand us posting on here for bagging a product
but its ok to bag a member on here for posting his feeelings on a product

once again we just posted our thoughts on a certain product and the rest have come down harsh on us
thats twice now ozcobra u have bagged us out on certain posts and when u read what we wrote
it had nothing to do with u and not really flaming anyone we just wrote our thoughts on
a product
all we can do is pass on the treatment we get on these forums
hopefully u will get many more member from us telling everyone how wonderful u get treated on these forums hehehehehe

[OZCOBRA]

Sideshow nothing mutual mate!!!
......Actually love the work you guys do!!!!! as I've said previously you offer GREAT advice to nearly all that is questioned on here in your field and when you feel the need to correct any mis-information....
As far as Bagging a Product well go for it I guess if you've been rep remanded for doing so ..........well????It was obviously outta line
The thing that pi$$es me off is the CHEAP shots and the I don't need you mentality you have on here!!!
.....you say you didn't bag anyone THIS TIME ...well mate you did!! you had a go at mr mizzi and 400TT "hey dave u might as well take your car to ozcobra or 400tt as they seem to know about the abs and trc setups"
The times I've ragged you you've bagged the cobra guys that have had the GALL TO GO TOO SOMEBODY ELSE and not you!!!....
Mate it says more about the YOU that the guys here that have chosen to go elsewhere through whatever circumstance be it $$$$,Locality or their own attempt at doin it ....Then CHOOSE to come and see you for the fix.

Take the good with the bad mate...small business is fickle you can only bite the hand that puts food onya plate so many times!!!

DITTO!!!!....
Had you let doubledip do all the talking for your business, you would be far better off.

He does seem to come on hear a get things back on track with a RATIONAL RESPONSE!!!


M2CW...

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by sideshow

hey dave u might as well take your car to ozcobra or 400tt as they seem to know about the abs and trc setups and since no more cobra guys come to us due to these forums

You say some crazy stuff on here Sideshow - but this one is my favourite.

This forum has nothing to do with cobra guys not coming to you - YOUR childish and ignorant rants and smart arse attitude and finishing every sentence with hehehehehehe making you sound like a bloody 2 year old are part of the reason why cobra guys dont go to you (there are other reasons too). Take some responsibility for what YOU say that has resulted in a negative impact on you and your business. Friggin kids that blame anything or anyone but themselves for their problems.

Had you let doubledip do all the talking for your business as I had said many times before, you would be far better off. He must just want to smash your keyboard over your head sometimes. I dont think you would feel anything.

Cheers

[sideshow]

all i can say dave is nothing is as good as the factory cruise and trc and abs setup
as it all talks to each other
but looks like due to other fkers on here they dont really want u to take our advice
so best to ask them
if u go aftermarket each of the systems wont talk to each other and since u have the usa based loom and controller we really dont want to get involved as u will have to fit the abs system to match the ecu and that means u need abs modules that will match the e67 ecu u have which are probably all from a corvette i pressume

[DaveW]

Well.....OK
Just trying to keep this on track for my sake,

So an E38 ECU appears to be what I've got, Is that the ideal ECU for the LS7 for my application ?

If i want to put ABS on, what other components do i need. or is it just about wiring now.

If i want to put on Cruise, what other components do i need, other than a set/resume cancel mechanism and wiring.
The LS7 is fly by wire on both the stock manifold or the Kinsler.

Is there an ABS computer ? Is there a cruise Computer etc etc.

Cheers

[400TT]

The E38 ecu is old and simple. You can easily program it to run MAFLESS as all the Commodore guys do.

So yes, the E38 is an ideal choice for your LS7.

Sorry we just haven't done ABS, Traction or Cruise with the factory GM ECU's so can't help with your other answers.

[Doubledip]

Originally Posted by 400TT

The E38 ecu is old and simple. You can easily program it to run MAFLESS as all the Commodore guys do.

So yes, the E38 is an ideal choice for your LS7.

Sorry we just haven't done ABS, Traction or Cruise with the factory GM ECU's so can't help with your other answers.

Hi Craig... what do you mean by old and simple. E38 came out same time as E67... they are basically the same ECU just one does CAN only (E38) and the other does CAN and Serial (E67).

I was under the impression that the reason behind it (E67) was that it was easier for the US to make it backwards compatible with their other internal equipment where as us Aussies installed a translator - may be wrong.

[Doubledip]

dont go aftermarket as it will more than likely not pass engineering (but there is another debate for another time) .. stay factory and Harrop do a FBW 8 throttle body setup.

and yes we can and have done a factory setup with cruise and ABS and as brought up in the 3rd post John has done some and we wired one for him a year or so ago.. and cruise control on about 6 or 7 conversion vehicles

[Doubledip]

Originally Posted by 400TT

The E38 ecu is old and simple. You can easily program it to run MAFLESS as all the Commodore guys do.

So yes, the E38 is an ideal choice for your LS7.

Sorry we just haven't done ABS, Traction or Cruise with the factory GM ECU's so can't help with your other answers.

just found the site i was looking for ... the e38 and e67 came out at the same time and run the same processor etc... E67 has a couple more input/outputs used for variable cam timing so it says .. so in the normal conversion in Australia it is really wasted.. as we dont get the variable timing version engines (unless of course some one specially imports one)


"For 2006, GM introduced two new ECMs, E38 and E67. These controllers look somewhat similar to the E40, but slightly different connectors exist on each of the three, and none interchange. The new ECMs featured a departure from the historied 68000 series chip for a new Motorola PowerPC based 40 MHz, 32-bit RISC processor and a flash memory bumped up to a hefty 2 megabytes, or 2048 kilobytes-twice that of the replaced controllers. They are also the first GM controllers to feature floating-point processing, an improvement to the accuracy in which it makes calculations. The E67 has a slight edge on E38, thanks to its additional input/output lines, thus making it the choice for vehicles with variable valve timing"

[Kanga]

Dave,

I dont think that the kinsler is drive by wire, the delphi can be made to work on 8 throttles but it is a bit of stuffing around you may have to go to motec or similar.

[sideshow]

i think half of u guys should take a chill pill its not as if i killed someone
i just said someones name
ozcobra has bagged me on a post 2 weeks ago even though i didnt offend anyone
but i kept quiet
and he did the same this time after all i did was give my opinion to a conversion
we spent ages to get john cinis abs all talking to each other and working so its not as if
our opinion is pulled from the sky
anyway i have had enough of the attitude of 2 or 3 people on this forums that every single time i reply to something they put people down straight away
so i do not want to have any involvement with anything that has the word cobra in it

and dave if u want our opinion on how we would set it up email doubledip because i do not want to touch another cobra again since afew are up themselves
and think that the cobra is the only car in the world and they r always right

so anyone wanting any info or prices get in touch with doubledip as i wont reply to anything conbra related anymore
we have helped people who have bought these kits from the usa as they r ok but afew
niggly issues but all those guys we have helped have not said the problems they have run into probably to they dont upset the person selling them on here as there is so much favourtisim so everyone else is saying how good they r but the ones we have had to sort out r staying out of this well fk u all
i hope i dont see another cobra again

[Krait]

Dave,

I had a reply from Brian at Kinsler about a month ago in regards to the Crossram setup and he said that it did not use DBW and required a stand alone ECU.

Whether that applies to other setups in the Kinsler range I don't know.

Cheers

[Kanga]

krait,

Can I ask how much you were quoted?

thanks

steve

[Krait]

Originally Posted by Kanga

krait,

Can I ask how much you were quoted?

thanks

steve

Sorry Steve, I didn't ask for a quote.....I want to try and stay with the GM ECU and told Kinsler that this was my requirement.

Cheers

[byroncobra]

sideshow you crack me up...........talk about a dummy spit

[OZCOBRA]

Originally Posted by sideshow

i think half of u guys should take a chill pill its not as if i killed someone
i just said someones name
ozcobra has bagged me on a post 2 weeks ago even though i didnt offend anyone
but i kept quiet
and he did the same this time after all i did was give my opinion to a conversion
we spent ages to get john cinis abs all talking to each other and working so its not as if
our opinion is pulled from the sky
anyway i have had enough of the attitude of 2 or 3 people on this forums that every single time i reply to something they put people down straight away
so i do not want to have any involvement with anything that has the word cobra in it

and dave if u want our opinion on how we would set it up email doubledip because i do not want to touch another cobra again since afew are up themselves
and think that the cobra is the only car in the world and they r always right

so anyone wanting any info or prices get in touch with doubledip as i wont reply to anything conbra related anymore
we have helped people who have bought these kits from the usa as they r ok but afew
niggly issues but all those guys we have helped have not said the problems they have run into probably to they dont upset the person selling them on here as there is so much favourtisim so everyone else is saying how good they r but the ones we have had to sort out r staying out of this well fk u all
i hope i dont see another cobra again

Well mate would like to say you'll be missed.........If the SH!T sticks wear it..

Every time you open your trap you shoot ya mouth off and OFFEND....hehehehehehehehehe!!!!!

Re-read what I've said followed by your Dumb Arse COMMENTS....and see who has bagged who on here....I've actually commended the work you guys do THERE and ON HERE!!!....and in the process tried to Illuminate that space in your Cranium about the way you Dis the Cobra community as a whole!!!!.

And with your finishing statement...."well fk u all"
GOODBYE!!!!

[DaveW]

Krait

I haven't spoken with Kinsler, just assumed from some pics that it had a DBW ability due to the mounting on the front of the throttle linkage, see below, what would this be for then, throttle position ?

[Krait]

Originally Posted by DaveW

Krait

I haven't spoken with Kinsler, just assumed from some pics that it had a DBW ability due to the mounting on the front of the throttle linkage, see below, what would this be for then, throttle position ?

I agree with Mike and Double Dip in that it's for the TPS.

Cheers