ADR 3/03 seats

[suthol]

Originally Posted by Smokeyr67

Sorry Dave, but if I try and post a link it says it has to be approved by a mod - maybe something with me being a newb?


Anyhow, ozclubbies.com.au, technical discussion, ADR 3/03 compliant seats - availability, go to the last page.

As an admin on Ozclubbies I can assure that you are validated ( none outstanding )

Anyway the guy you are looking for is Alan who has a Facebook page here http://www.facebook.com/TriPodCars?ref=ts&fref=ts

He's done a rather interesting 3 wheeler

[Smokeyr67]

Originally Posted by suthol

As an admin on Ozclubbies I can assure that you are validated ( none outstanding )

Anyway the guy you are looking for is Alan who has a Facebook page here http://www.facebook.com/TriPodCars?ref=ts&fref=ts

He's done a rather interesting 3 wheeler

Suthol,

I meant I was a newbie on here, so couldn't link from here to OzClubbies. Sorry for any confusion.

[boxhead]

Yeah, from memory there is no linkies permitted till you have made 10 posts.
Stops the spammers.

[Jethrow]

Originally Posted by Aussie Mike

Nothing off the shelf. I was just going to make an upright from a couple of lengths of stainless rod and then weld on stainless plate for the head rest section. I'll then pad that wth foam and get it trimmed the same as the seat.

The mounts on the back of the seat will be a couple of sockets for the rods to go into. Probably retained with a couple of grub screws.

Cheers

Ok Thanks. I was thinking similar tho maybe all in aluminium to match the seat.

[suthol]

Originally Posted by suthol

As an admin on Ozclubbies I can assure that you are validated ( none outstanding )

Anyway the guy you are looking for is Alan who has a Facebook page here http://www.facebook.com/TriPodCars?ref=ts&fref=ts

He's done a rather interesting 3 wheeler

Sorry I should have added that the seats Alan is complying look a bit like the Tillet seats that Caterham use so probably nothing like the look you want if you are chasing a traditional low back seat look.

Racedeal.com - Tillett B6 Full Frame Carbon GRP Seat

[Aussie Mike]

Originally Posted by Jethrow

Ok Thanks. I was thinking similar tho maybe all in aluminium to match the seat.

I may yet make them from alloy but I was thinking stainless for the extra strength without the bulk.

[Modena]

are these tillet seats ADR approved? Had a quick search but could not find anything

[stephen low]

Guys despite my reading of the limited usefullness now of MX5 seats I may as well flag the availability of a pair of seats I have to now sell.

I shrank the width of my standard MX5 seats by 50mm to better getting into the G-Force cockpit but I still couldn't reduce the seating height because of the way the cockpit is constructed.

So if anyone is interested in a couple of comfortable leather seats with the original sliders PM me please.

I am looking to go with a pair of Marty Govett's fabricated seats, and having tested the seating position it is a far improvement height wise. A few in build minor tweaks will really have the seats fit the G-Force cockpit nicely.

I am hoping I can get the seats upholstered in a way that they take on a more traditional look. Yet to confirm this though.

Anyway yell if you are after some seats.

Cheers

Steve

[sambo]

Saw your car down there on Saturday Slowy. Soft top bows look great and the surface rust had fallen off your roll bars (freshly linished). Have you spoken to anyone about upholstering Marty's seats?

[stephen low]

Yes got the missus down there last night to test Marty's seat for fit and we have come to the conclusion best fit is with his offerings over the MX5 seats sadly.

Anyway no I hadn't even started to think about upholstery but we will have whomever do the whole car. Have you someone you can suggest?

The roll bars were simply subjected to a light grade of fine paper on a polisher but Marty also got me to use a flapper to grind down his third leg welds to smooth it all out.

Once the third leg chassis attachments are made the whole lot can go to the chromers. They are going to do the finishing polish and chroming.

[GTS]

Hi Guys,
Thank you for the drawing and measurements.
Does anyone know exactly how the proceedings are for the ADR approval.Most of our seats are steel tube frames with welded mounting points and in the Fiberglass seats we make big plates that are laminated into the ready made shell for ridgidy.Even if we have adjusters at the side we have an additional steel framing inside that is laminated to the seat back and bottom.How can we have these approved by the ADR ? Again we are in the US and not familiar with the proceedings and in's down under,sorry.

[justcobra]

Originally Posted by GTS

Hi Guys,
My name is Stefan and I supply seats to the classic car market since 2003 and just got an email yesterday about the concerns about ADR XX/XX.
So if I understand it correctly- forgive I am a German living in Texas which explains some....
Seats have to be min 850 mm from base to to of the headrest, there can not be more space between the headrest and seat max 60 mm, headrest have to be min 170 mm wide and min 115 mm tall.
Am I so far correct- tried to access the Australian Gov site but got always blocked out- who wants a German Texan....
All seats have to go through a certification/approval test ?
So far we have seats that exceed the 850 mm, headrests are 250 mm wide and 140 mm tall.
So how can we help ?
We have supplied many customers in Australia, but mostly classic cars that refitted our seats into their cars, or does that rule also affect older cars after restorations.?
Thank you all for the input.I had to come up here in the US with a few ideas as they wanted to ban classic seats from drivers ed or clubracing when used with 5 points.
with kind regards Stefan GTSclassics under ClassicCarSeats.com

Stefan.
I am the gentleman who sent you a email about the height of your seats and the freight costs to Australia.

Please read this forum in total and there is reference to the our Federal Government requirement website which will enable yourself to be enchanted with our mandatory requirements for newly built Ac cobra's.

The Kit car industry in the USA has not got the harsh rules as imposed/compared by our fathers downunder!

Sure -older cars what ever the marques should not be a problem in respect to retro fit of your traditional looking seats that do not have to meet out 850mm Rule.

Regards.Stanley Kilmore Victoria Australia.

[justcobra]

Originally Posted by GTS

Hi Guys,
Thank you for the drawing and measurements.
Does anyone know exactly how the proceedings are for the ADR approval.Most of our seats are steel tube frames with welded mounting points and in the Fiberglass seats we make big plates that are laminated into the ready made shell for ridgidy.Even if we have adjusters at the side we have an additional steel framing inside that is laminated to the seat back and bottom.How can we have these approved by the ADR ? Again we are in the US and not familiar with the proceedings and in's down under,sorry.

Hi Stefan.

It appears that "NO ONE" in the community down under has provided any guidance to the procedure in getting your seats certified.

I know of two manufacturers that manufacture the cobra seats in Victoria.

One is located in Eltham Victoria and the other only makes the seat frame all purportedly comply with the ADR 3-03 seat rule.

Both are listed in this thread and for your information are Classic Interiors and Kenmer Engineering .

Email and phone numbers are available.

Both use their own mechanical engineer

Classic Seat Pricing is through the STRATOSPHERE and you have to work in A GOLD MINE.

I could import AC Cobra Traditional/Classic seats that meet IVA rules far cheaper from UK than buying locally.

I could suggest Enkelmans who could gladly assist with your problem.

Your thumb nail photos are GREAT and you will note that Classic Interior seats and the Kenmer Seat frame are ALL STEEL.

We need competition and I hope you can gain the necessary paper approved for export.

If you need a distributor please PM me.

[Zedn]

The process is:
Obtain a copy of ADR3/03 from the department of transport website (or equiv un reg)
Commission a lab certified for ISO17025 or similar to conduct the tests specified in the ADR (we call it NATA accreditation here).
Draw up the seat showing dimensions meet ADR 3/03.
Sell the seats as ADR3/03 compliant with a copy of the lab test results and drawings.
The local engineer will do the rest.

Note: testing doesn't have to be in Australia. ISO17025 is an international standard so will be recognised here.

[justcobra]

I just bought a set of Ac Cobra Seats previously fitted to a DAX cobra for a VERY GOOD price locally .
These seats I believe were manufactured by interior seating out or UK and they have extendable headrests.
You have to be patitent and these seats are available in Australia.
They fit PERFECTLY and they are made in the traditional way with a steel frame etc.
Now I got a choice of three seats which could be used .
I SAVED A BUNDLE COMPARED TO WHAT TRIMMERS WANT LOCALLY
PICS WILL BE DOWNLOADED LATER.

[400TT]

We have classic style steel frame trampoline(sprung) base seats that have been certified with ADR 3/03 for our kits. Pricing to be announced soon.

Originally Posted by Zedn

Draw up the seat showing dimensions meet ADR 3/03.
Sell the seats as ADR3/03 compliant with a copy of the lab test results and drawings.

Nice effort Zedn, but the drawings and dimensions are actually irrelevant and you actually need a special jig to measure the seats correctly to get the critical height measurement.

Seats that pass ADR 3/03 will have the required dimensions.

So this is what you want with your seats:

A copy of the ADR 3/03 certification
A statement from the seat manufacturer
And preferably identification on the seat (brand & model) that matches the ADR 3/03 certification

[Zedn]

Thanks Craig, it was not intended to be a compliance procedure.
Dimensions are required other than height. H point dummy is a test apparatus in the ADR.

But good shameless opportunity to plug your new seats!

[Mike Read]

I'm bringing my Dax 427 into SA in a couple of months time ... I thought the car's sidepipes and noise was going to be my biggest problem, but this thread has me worried! I have the Dax highbacks discussed earlier in the thread (the ugly ones ... you can see them in my photos) and they went through UK IVA without problem. I expect to have to change a lot of things to meet ADR's and will use an Engineer to get things right before it goes for inspection.

I'll let the forum know how it goes at Regency.

Regards, Mike

[400TT]

Originally Posted by Zedn

Thanks Craig, it was not intended to be a compliance procedure.
Dimensions are required other than height. H point dummy is a test apparatus in the ADR.

But good shameless opportunity to plug your new seats!

Zedn, I was not indicating a compliance procedure, just what you need if you are purchasing ADR 3/03 seats. And what I have indicated is all you need, the certificate will contain all the data to satisfy the requirements.

[Zedn]

All good, if emotions could be portrait in text, that post i made would be friendly banter