FFR vs Turnten racing

[RACER X #99]

I really like the looks of that chassis Mike, a lot better looking than that funky looking square support tubes that some others use.

Let me know when you are ready and I will give it a shakdown at WGI.

Roger D

[mj_duell]

Originally Posted by RACER X #99

I really like the looks of that chassis Mike, a lot better looking than that funky looking square support tubes that some others use.

Let me know when you are ready and I will give it a shakdown at WGI.

Roger D

Hi Roger,
Had a great time blastin around da Glen and hanging with you and John and the other Crankiods yesterday. Some serious gearheads and equipment showed up to that event. I'll get the EVO 5 display car done and prepped for September. Who knows maybe we can get a GT together for the spring. I believe we can get these cars dialed in with a good ole Cranky thrashing .

--Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

[Crusty1]

I want to hear more.
I am interested in both the D&D Cobra and FFR. In Canada there is not many cost effective options. The D&D may save a lot in shipping, duties and brokerage vs the FFR.
Chris

[mj_duell]

Originally Posted by Crusty1

I want to hear more.
I am looking interested in both the D&D Cobra and FFR. In Canada there is not many cost effective options. The D&D may save a lot in shipping, duties and brokerage vs the FFR.
Chris

Hi Crusty1,
Well I can help you out with any technical questions that you may have. Feel free to take a look at our web site (www.turntenracing.com) and our gallery here at CC (see signature below) as well. Don will also be able to answer questions and give you information as far as the Ministry of Transportation and pricing in Canada. Here is their web site and phone: www.ddcobra.com / 450.658.2315 Tell Don, Mike at TTR sent you.



Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

[Crusty1]

Originally Posted by mj_duell

Hi Crusty1,
Well I can help you out with any technical questions that you may have. Feel free to take a look at our web site (www.turntenracing.com) and our gallery here at CC (see signature below) as well. Don will also be able to answer questions and give you information as far as the Ministry of Transportation and pricing in Canada. Here is their web site and phone: www.ddcobra.com / 450.658.2315 Tell Don, Mike at TTR sent you.



Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

Thanks Mike, I got your email.

[Crusty1]

Well, my FFR dream has taken a complete 180. The D&D product looks great! I think it might be the best option in Canada.
I don't think that the IRS parts can be ordered from ffr to ship into Canada due to customs and government regs. So if you want the IRS you would order the standard kit and have to figure it out once you got it here. D&D ships the chassis as a roller. Everything is lined up and installed, no donor parts, and the price looks like it will be comparable. Throw in a motor, tranny, splash on some paint, and I imagine a whole lot of electrical needs to be done, and your off to the races!
Chris

[mj_duell]

Originally Posted by Crusty1

Well, my FFR dream has taken a complete 180. The D&D product looks great! I think it might be the best option in Canada.
I don't think that the IRS parts can be ordered from ffr to ship into Canada due to customs and government regs. So if you want the IRS you would order the standard kit and have to figure it out once you got it here. D&D ships the chassis as a roller. Everything is lined up and installed, no donor parts, and the price looks like it will be comparable. Throw in a motor, tranny, splash on some paint, and I imagine a whole lot of electrical needs to be done, and your off to the races!
Chris

Hi Chris,
It was good talking to you via email. I'm glad you are giving D&D a solid look, you will be very happy. Don't forget to checkout the optional equipment available through D&D. The swaybar package is a work of art and there is a great 13" Cobra brake option as well. TTR has also just made a deal with a billet CNC company for custom billet front upper and lower control arms and specially built billet IRS uprights for use with the T-bird parts. We had them designed to work on both our frames and FFR. The EVO chassis uses a very strong, lightweight frame so I think all of your performance wishes will be answered.



--Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

[Burnd]

Originally Posted by Crusty1

Well, my FFR dream has taken a complete 180. The D&D product looks great! I think it might be the best option in Canada.
I don't think that the IRS parts can be ordered from ffr to ship into Canada due to customs and government regs. So if you want the IRS you would order the standard kit and have to figure it out once you got it here. D&D ships the chassis as a roller. Everything is lined up and installed, no donor parts, and the price looks like it will be comparable. Throw in a motor, tranny, splash on some paint, and I imagine a whole lot of electrical needs to be done, and your off to the races!
Chris

Crusty:
FWIW: I was up in your neck of the woods racing at Sanair Speedway a few weeks back with a friend of mine that happpens to be a FE motor head and Mechanical Engineer. We had the opportunity to look over the D&D product in detail; inside, out, over and under. Keep in mind that I own a 3200.lb porker called a Stallion which resembles the traditional Cobra style but is set up for racing and is built like a tank. We looked at the Turn Ten's product in great detail and we also met Mike. It's human nature to make comparisons and be cynical, which we did privately. The D&D is well engineered and we both liked the design, construction and the appearance. Typically, if I don't care for someone elses design I don't say anything because I don't want to hurt someones feeling or burst their bubble for all the work and time they put into it, but if I do like it; I go out of my way to let them know. The clown that was with me (being an anal engineer) always has a better way to do something, however with the D&D he was appreciably quiet. Later, driving back to the states he commented; "well designed vehicle". Coming from him; that's saying something. We also found Mike to be candid, informative, helpful and generous in making our visit at the track very enjoyable. There were times when it would have been advantageous if I spoke French but it's amazing what you can accomplish with hand signals and sign language. Lots of "thumbs" up came our way too and the people were great. Common interests always helps.

Secondly; regardless of what you hear, if you can avoid logistics issues between the states and Canada then I would recommend you do so. For me; getting parts OUT of Canada to the states is a pain in the ass and can get pricy unless the manufacturer has a distribution point with inventory IN the states. Enough said on that subject.

In my opinion, I don't believe anyone would be disappointed with the D&D Cobra. It's a beautiful design and also has some unique traits which I found esthetically appealing, like the seams on the quarter panels. These guys have done a nice job with their design and when a manufacturer is hungry to break into a market; service is usually their highest priority to be successful. And service is something you want with these wheel barrels. After meeting Mike, I have no doubt you'll get all the support you need. Good luck with your venture.

Bernie