FFR vs Turnten racing

[freddie]

any input on comparisons good or bad would be a help
I like the frames on both the look pretty much the same so far from my investigating.

These are the only 2 manufactures that I have found suppling these type of frames .. that will be good for racing and cruzing

[ENTDOC]

FFR american, D@D Canadian,both good cars,I would buy American. chuck

[mj_duell]

Originally Posted by ENTDOC

FFR american, D@D Canadian,both good cars,I would buy American. chuck

Um........Why. Sales of the rollers are through an American Company, Turn Ten Racing, Inc. The profit from the sales stays here. Matter of fact, the turnkey minus cars are completed in the U.S.. The engineering performed at D&D is great and the price for what you are getting is great. The parts to finish the car are usually sourced in America. If you own a Cobra replica of any kind the odds are that percentage of the parts are made in England, China or other places and this includes parts on FFR's and Shelby’s. There are many great manufactures whose products are not made here like Superformace. I'm all for the "Buy American" attitude, but you are not talking about Toyota here. Start looking a little closer at what you are getting and not who is making it.


--Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

[mannyjoe]

Hey! An awful lot of those Toyotas are built right here in the U.S.A. in fact Honda and Nissan also have plants here.
mannyjoe

[mj_duell]

Originally Posted by mannyjoe

Hey! An awful lot of those Toyotas are built right here in the U.S.A. in fact Honda and Nissan also have plants here.
mannyjoe

Yes, I know this. My point was that we are not some huge company taking profit from the American economy. I know there are many people working at plants here in the U.S. for Japanese companies.



--Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

[*13*]

I'd like to see the Turn Ten car up close, it looks like a nice car. The FFR cars I have seen have ranged from terrible to really nice depending on the quality of work done.

[mj_duell]

Originally Posted by *13*

I'd like to see the Turn Ten car up close, it looks like a nice car. The FFR cars I have seen have ranged from terrible to really nice depending on the quality of work done.

Turn Ten Racing, Inc. and D&D will be at Carlisle, PA this coming weekend. All of our rollers come with glossy powder coated frames and suspension parts and the attention to detail is great. We are having a full blown display roller done at the moment and it will be used for showing customers the quality of our turnkey minus and roller cars and for a little track fun from time to time. It will be making its way around New York and maybe parts of New England this summer depending on time. You can find pictures of the frame construction and finished frames on our site (www.turntenracing.com) and here at CC. If you have any questions or would like more pictures or information give me a shout or just send an email. We are small and just starting out but we have a 100% commitment to our product and customers.





--Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

[*13*]

It seems that you are very on top of things. One thing that I have learned in me research to buy my car is that pictures, though great for research, aren't always the same as standing next to the car. I'm sure at some point I will get to see one of your cars up close & can only guess that it will be as nice as the pictures show. All the little details are what make a nice car!

[TRIG]

I was thinking the same thing about the kmp body. I assume chuck is going with the kmp is far superior theory. Kirkhams are definately beautiful. I'm a believer in you get what you pay for.

trig spf2275

[John McMahon]

Mike,

I don't want to stress you out, but I thought you needed to know this...

...the entire Canadian economy is relying on Turn Ten racing to keep it afloat!

I thought your analogy of Kirkham was a good one. I also feel that folks should support a fellow Cobra enthusiast and CC member first. I feel Mike is working on a superior product here with lots of additional strength and engineering applied to that chassis...very nice!

[mj_duell]

Originally Posted by John McMahon

Mike,

I don't want to stress you out, but I thought you needed to know this...

...the entire Canadian economy is relying on Turn Ten racing to keep it afloat!

I thought your analogy of Kirkham was a good one. I also feel that folks should support a fellow Cobra enthusiast and CC member first. I feel Mike is working on a superior product here with lots of additional strength and engineering applied to that chassis...very nice!

John,
Thanks for the added stress . First I have to keep Turn Ten afloat, now all of the Canadians! Their not hurting that bad, have you seen the exchange rates lately? I am working very hard and it has been difficult, but totally worth it. We are small and it is hard to compete in a market full of makers of fine products no matter where they are made. I do it for the love of the car, the love of racing and the constant stream of new people I get to meet. I want Turn Ten Racing to sell the best frame and parts that are available and do things to a high standard.



--Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

[LMH]

I like things like the round frame and the floor mounted pedals from Turn Ten Racing . FFR's frame is a combo of round tube and square tube. Those along with the more original shape body (no offense to the FFR crowd)... I'd buy the Turn Ten car.
That's my $.02.
Larry

[Igofastr]

Originally Posted by LMH

I like things like the round frame and the floor mounted pedals from Turn Ten Racing . FFR's frame is a combo of round tube and square tube. Those along with the more original shape body (no offense to the FFR crowd)... I'd buy the Turn Ten car.
That's my $.02.
Larry

I like 'em both, too.

[Buzzmobile]

why don't you bring one down to Tulsa for the MidAmerica meet. I would love to see it. I have started a wondering eye for something new..

Buzz

[Three Peaks]

Has anyone tried to answer the original question?

The FFR and D&D (Turn Ten Racing) are both very high quality products with very good engineering. Each takes a departure from the original- D&D is slightly different from the original in the frame design. I notice that the D&D has vastly improved the anti-intrusion frame work for the footbox areas as did FFR with their design. The FFR design is "true to the spirit of the original" but took some substantial license with the frame design. However, it is closer to the original design than 90% of the kits out there.

Keep in mind the D&D product only comes as a roller while the FFR kit comes as a kit, ready for you to build to your exact idea of what you want. Both kits are very high quality IMHO. Depends on what you are looking for.
Personally, I lean toward the D&D due to the more original looking chassis design and body. Just my 2 cent's worth.- Bob

[mj_duell]

Originally Posted by Three Peaks

Keep in mind the D&D product only comes as a roller while the FFR kit comes as a kit

Don and I have been thinking about this for awhile. Let me put this question our there. If you could buy parts individually or groups of parts, kind of a "Build your own" kit, would there be interest?;

Example only:

Buy just the frame for $6300.00

or

Buy the Frame, steering rack, front upper & lower arms,(4) coil-over shocks,
front spindles, tie-rod ends (powder coated and set-up with brackets
for
IRS). $7995.00

You could then purchase the body or other parts off of a menu of items. You would still be able to buy the current packages as well.



--Mike / Turn Ten Racing, Inc.

[Russ Dickey]

Originally Posted by freddie

any input on comparisons good or bad would be a help
I like the frames on both the look pretty much the same so far from my investigating.

These are the only 2 manufactures that I have found suppling these type of frames .. that will be good for racing and cruzing

Freddie:
When you say "these type of frames", do you mean round tube? If so, both Kirkham and Premier Motorsports also offer round tube frames.

[freddie]

Hey Russ when I was talking about the frame I do mean the round tubes, but also the complete chassis with all the supports, from the pictures i've seen of premier they do not have all the support structure like FF or turn ten does, And kirkam is more than I am looking to spend and they do not have a kit that I get to put together.

thxs freddie

[WV66AC]

Mike -- methinks that such custom opportunities/packages would cut down on volume and profits -- I commend you on trying to serve your customers. I am taking the day off tomorrow - I will try to stop by and say hello.

[Three Peaks]

Don and I have been thinking about this for awhile. Let me put this question our there. If you could buy parts individually or groups of parts, kind of a "Build your own" kit, would there be interest?;

Example only:

Buy just the frame for $6300.00

or

Buy the Frame, steering rack, front upper & lower arms,(4) coil-over shocks,
front spindles, tie-rod ends (powder coated and set-up with brackets
for
IRS). $7995.00

You could then purchase the body or other parts off of a menu of items. You would still be able to buy the current packages as well.

Mike,
I think that if you offered this package as you stated it would be a big hit. Your chassis and body are very nice and very original IMHO and the workmanship is terrific. With your pricing scheme, you would be competitive with FFR and others while addressing the few knocks that people have with FFR- the non-original looking body and the chassis that is also not original but as close as most come to it for the price.

The only problem I could see with doing this however, is that you would have to ramp up production quickly because you would have a very popular product very quickly. I'm not sure that is a bad thing?
If that were to happen, I would consider being a West Coast distributor for D&D.

Bob