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jeffy 10-20-2008 09:18 PM

"Inspirations" for my ERA 289
 
Most of my decisions and selections have been made for my turnkey ERA 289 that hopefully will hit the road next summer. Peter P. and John have been super to work with, and I look forward to spending some time with Doug during the build. Just for fun, I decided to list some of my "inspirations" for the choices I have made. Thanks to all the photos and galleries available online, anything that caught my fancy I could clip and email to Peter and John for an assessment. Here is where we came out on the major items:

Body style and engine: Basically because I wanted a small block and the underbody sidepipes, I selected the 289 FIA body. I understand that it is easy to get to 400hp with today's technology with a small block, which is about where the 289 competition cars raced. That's enough horsepower for me. Since a small block wouldn't be authentic in a 427, I opted for the 289, although I think the 427 body shape has a slight edge. I also didn't want me or my passengers to burn their ankles on the sidepipes, so that sealed the deal for the 289 comp version. The re-bodied CSX 2009 is a particularly beautiful example of an FIA body (of course, its original body was much different):

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...rear3-4ths.jpg

After getting fully familiar with the tuning and cost issues, I concluded that, regardless, a Cobra needs Webers. I'm having Jim Holden's engine duplicated for my car:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...Jimsengine.jpg

Although the ERA is a copy of the FIA body, which were built in 1964, I like some of the features of the earlier competition cars, in particular the 1963 Sebring cars. For example, I like the retro look of the kidney bean wheels found on the early cars (this is CSX 2002):

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...idneybeans.jpg

PS Engineering makes a very nice aluminum version:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...idneybeans.jpg

Like the Sebring cars, I've chosen the riveted hood and black rollbar (this CSX 2129):

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...SX2129hood.jpg

I also like the dash layout of the Sebring cars (this is CSX 2129):

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...SX2129dash.jpg

For the speedo and tach, I think this is a great looking combination from CSX 2009 (the "as original" Stewart-Warner speedo and the Jones mechanical tach with chrome bezel are both available today via special order):

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...edoandtach.jpg

Another retro look I like is the Bell-style sprint wheel found on some early 289s (similar wheels are readily available today). This is from CSX 2002:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...X2002wheel.jpg

For color, I like red. ERA 002 looks super to me, in what I believe is Ford Rangoon red with a white FIA nose stripe. I'll pass on the roundels, though. Yes, I know it's a 427, but I think the combination will look equally good on a 289. As you may have figured out, I'm fond of the early '60's retro look, which I think you get with this particular shade:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...RA002front.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...RA002track.jpg

If you've made it this far, thanks for indulging me! As Jim Holden told me: "it's all about the journey!"

RICK LAKE 10-21-2008 03:57 AM

Which motor Jeff??
 
Jeffy I think MR. HOLDEN has built every ford motor but a SOHC one. With the new parts out and maybe another GT-40 in the works a cammer will fit. If you are Talking about the Westlake motor, for a small block that is a work of art. I am sure the power rating is under what it really puts out with a set of 48 webers. With good gas and high compression we thinking in the 380-410 HP level with a nasty torque band for 2,600 rpms to about 6,200. I do like the louvers on the orginial. I added them to mine. One side note, if you are going to race the car, Ask Bob to build you a little taller hoop for the back and a hoop around your seat on the inside of the car. They did it for me and no body cuts on the body. It's just safety. I can remove the race setup and install the street one in 1/2 hour. Just a thought. I have seen crazy things happen at the track when racing. I never want to test my roll cage but nice to have some feelings of safety. Rick L. Ps I LIKE the RED.:MECOOL:

FIA-ERA 10-21-2008 06:10 AM

Congrats! It is a fun build with many twists and turns. I can't wait to get it out for the first time. We both have very similar tastes and style. I will try and get some better pic's later! Good luck! Thanks Matt.

jeffy 10-21-2008 06:29 AM

Rick-

I'm using Jim's engine builder for the one pictured, which is a 289/331 block with the 48 IDAs. I'll give you a call to discuss in more detail. I already asked for the additional cockpit protection you mentioned; I agree it is a very good idea.

Take care,

Jeff

ack fia 10-21-2008 09:04 AM

Wish List For An Era Fia
 
Here is a list of the things I would have added to my FIA if I were to do it again:
Optional outboard brakes on the rear.
Fuel cell tank.
Fuel shut off at the tank (operate from the drivers position).
Kirkey "vintage" race seat (driver).
Relocate the shifter to a more forward position.

If you are going with a Jones Motarola mechanical tach, I'd opt for the 4" unit, it will fit.

FIA-ERA 10-21-2008 09:55 AM

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Here's mine. I'm getting closer! Matt

jeffy 10-21-2008 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ack fia (Post 890990)
Here is a list of the things I would have added to my FIA if I were to do it again:
Optional outboard brakes on the rear.
Fuel cell tank.
Fuel shut off at the tank (operate from the drivers position).
Kirkey "vintage" race seat (driver)
Relocate the shifter to a more forward position.

If you are going with a Jones Motarola mechanical tach, I'd opt for the 4" unit, it will fit.

We think alike: have picked the outboard rear brakes, race bucket for the driver, the 4" Jones tach, and the forward mounted shifter, which, btw, forced me to select the Tremec TKO 600 (0.82 overdrive and 3.54 rear gears) over the Richmond Super Street 5-Speed with O.D., which I had preferred. I'll look into the fuel cell and shut-off you mentioned. Thanks!

Rickd 10-21-2008 12:11 PM

Now you need to get that chassis #!!! Send food to Peter - it helps. Rick

jeffy 10-21-2008 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickd (Post 891032)
Now you need to get that chassis #!!! Send food to Peter - it helps. Rick

FWIW, Peter tells me that I have "a box on the wall", whatever that means, and should feel good about it!

jeffy 10-21-2008 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIA-ERA (Post 891006)
Here's mine. I'm getting closer! Matt

I like the red; what color/paint code is it? It looks a little more ruby red than the Rangoon, which has an orange look.

Jim Holden 10-21-2008 02:04 PM

jeffy:

Just a reminder that my current (and your proposed) Weber setup does not have a provision for a thermostat. I have ended up putting one into the upper hose and blocking off the oil cooler in an effort to try and get some heat into the motor.

Jim

PS: Danny said, after rebuilding my set of Webers, that he would never do another set... so, I hope you are buying new.
FYI: My current motor is a Dart (4.25") iron block with Dart aluminum heads. The block has four bolt mains on all of the mains and required a custom (Stef) oil pan. I believe that AVIAD now makes a pan for this application.

Dangerous Doug 10-21-2008 02:24 PM

I got the TKO-600 with 0.82 OD with 3.54 on my ERA FIA. I'll let you know what I think about it in about a month...

My "checklist" of stuff to do before I can fire it up and drive it is now down to 31 minor 5-minute line items. Of course, given life's circumstances, this will take me about a month...

DD

jeffy 10-21-2008 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Holden (Post 891058)
jeffy:

Just a reminder that my current (and your proposed) Weber setup does not have a provision for a thermostat. I have ended up putting one into the upper hose and blocking off the oil cooler in an effort to try and get some heat into the motor.

Jim

PS: Danny said, after rebuilding my set of Webers, that he would never do another set... so, I hope you are buying new.
FYI: My current motor is a Dart (4.25") iron block with Dart aluminum heads. The block has four bolt mains on all of the mains and required a custom (Stef) oil pan. I believe that AVIAD now makes a pan for this application.

Hi Jim-

Yes, we are going with new Webers; parts availability has improved a lot recently, I'm told. Rick Parker mentioned the thermostat issue to me as well, and has a plan for how to tackle it during the winter. We'll see how that works out. Thanks for passing along your solution; not sure what we'll do there.

We are using a 289 production block with the Dart aluminum heads and an AVIAD pan (used, if we can find a good one).

Hope things are all well!

Jeff

ENTDOC 10-21-2008 02:58 PM

lose the red and blue fittings on the webers, it would look much better. take some Easy Off oven cleaner to them and they will come out dull silver, just as they should be.

FIA-ERA 10-21-2008 04:07 PM

Hey Jeff,
I couldn't decide on a good color of red! I went back and forth for months until I found my painter. He recommended "Rosso" red (Ferrari red) and said it would be stunning! It turned out perfect and really it looks like candy! It's the same color Shelby is painting the "newer" Cobra's. I really like the old school Rangoon Red but for me it was just too orange. I almost painted it Ford Rio red and that color looks great too. For me, that was one of the most stressful parts of the whole process. I'll try and get some better pic's tonight. Keep Peter in line! Matt

jeffy 10-21-2008 05:29 PM

Matt-

I couldn't pull the trigger and make the deposit until I was comfortable I had a color. It will be either Rangoon red or a ruby "Swiss Army knife" red like CSX 2009; I have a few months to decide!

Jeff

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...rear3-4ths.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...RA002front.jpg

Snakebit 10-23-2008 03:17 PM

I went with the Ford Rio Red. I liked the Ferrari Red, but when some one asks you what the color is I would find it hard to say"it's Ferrari Red!" Check out my gallery for the color. Get the sway bars and competition brakes. Good luck with the car, Peter and the gang are a pleasure to work with.

jeffy 10-23-2008 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakebit (Post 891817)
I went with the Ford Rio Red. I liked the Ferrari Red, but when some one asks you what the color is I would find it hard to say"it's Ferrari Red!" Check out my gallery for the color. Get the sway bars and competition brakes. Good luck with the car, Peter and the gang are a pleasure to work with.

I like Rio red: I admired it when I went through your gallery a while back. Anti-sway bars and the big brakes are already in, but thanks for taking the time to mention them. The validation is appreciated.

To all, please don't be shy: I'm interested in your thoughts and recommendations; keep them coming!

jeffy 11-04-2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Holden (Post 891058)
jeffy:

Just a reminder that my current (and your proposed) Weber setup does not have a provision for a thermostat.

Hi Jim-

I just spoke to Dan on this issue, and he says that the 48 IDA's are now available with a built-in thermostat, which the original racing Webers did not have. We're good here.

Jeff

Jim Holden 11-04-2008 12:36 PM

Jeff:

There is a 48IDA intake for the small block Ford that does incorporate a standard thermostat (single water outlet) setup. I am not aware of any two outlet style that has a thermostat. If there is one out there I sure would like to know about it.

Jim


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