Finally made some pulls on the 527 Cammer

[KM480]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

Im not an expert

I think his own words cover it pretty nicely.

By the way:
Gorgeous SOHC and surly the envy of many "experts".
I would love to put that in a 63 1/2 Galaxie!

[RodKnock]

OK. I think we all need to step back and get a little "daily affirmation."

[fordracing65]

Another reason Roush motors are a joke, too much money for what you get. To each is own. By the way there are many guys out there with the modern motor in it and people drool when they see it, trust me.

[FFR428]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

Another reason Roush motors are a joke, too much money for what you get. To each is own. By the way there are many guys out there with the modern motor in it and people drool when they see it, trust me.

Not me captain. I'll take a old FE cammer anyday over anything. The new SOHC and DOHC engines are ok and make good power. Just don't have the looks, charm and history of the oldies.

BTW nice job Barry.

[fordracing65]

Never said he didnt know how to build a motor, he builds for the engine masters competition for christ sake, show me in my thread where i critisized his work, ill wait, just said alot of money that can be accoplished for much cheaper

[Barry_R]

As for the overweight, unraceable FE engine lovers out there.

Remember this? Ain't no small block...

44-Year-old Cobra Wins Street Car Challenge

[Chaplin]

Nice job Barry! Great looking engine and fantastic numbers.

FordRacing-
You have a Kirkham. There are a lot of new production cars that offer the same or better performance than a Kirkham and do it for a lot less money than a Kirkham, and you can even get them with a mp3 player, air conditioning, gps and a cup holder. Given your reaction to this thread, I am surprised you didn't buy a new Z06 or GT500 instead of the Kirkham. Why would you spend all that money on the Kirkham when you can get more for less?

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Barry_R

As for the overweight, unraceable FE engine lovers out there.

Remember this? Ain't no small block...

44-Year-old Cobra Wins Street Car Challenge

I was at Parump when bruce won. Barry its not a small block big block debate, why didnt he use your cammer for that race, if its so awesome, ill tell you, too heavy too big, as apposed to an all aluminium big block, Good motor for an engine challenge, great conversation piece, lots of power, again to each is own, I said for less money a more powerful engine can be built thats smaller and lighter, fact, all you ass kissers go get yourself a cammer and we can race, I would love to, my little factory 5 twin turbo car costs less that that motor and has 1000hp to the wheels, wanna race? Since the thread has been hijacked. Lets keep this going and see how far my the original post can get distorted by non readers

[razerwire]

Very nice motor. If you look at advances in motor design and in particular FORD motors the S.O.H.C. has to be a mile.stone (a significant event in history ) for the time period. Cobra time period. The 1960s were exciting to me because of advances and hp wars by all manufacturer. ONE of the biggest mistakes I feel I've made was not buying a mustang for sale at local vintage car dealer. It was a 67 mustang , I think, with a S.O.H.C. with 2 4barrel carbs on it. It was priced in mid thirty's. I could have put a small block ford back in the car and sold it, kept the S.O.H.C. to drool on. I said I think the car was a 1967 because all I could see was the motor. Again VERY COOL MOTOR.

[fordracing65]

I have respect from everyone and every engine builder, I have a kieth craft motor, and blykins hopefully soon will be building me another, my opinion for that motor for that money may be in the minority, cool motor for an engine competition, but not the best cobra race motor by far, but its my opinion and im not alone.

[wideglidejoe]

FR65, quoting you....."I have respect from everyone"

A bit presumtuous, don't you think????

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by wideglidejoe

FR65, quoting you....."I have respect from everyone"

A bit presumtuous, don't you think????

I think he meant to say "I have respect for everyone." But I'm speculating. He continues to spell Keith Craft's name incorrectly too.

So, FE's:

a) are more expensive to build than SBF's,
b) are heavier than SBF's, and
c) make less HP per $ than SBF's

There's no new news there.

It really boils down to M-O-N-E-Y. Money. Very few people are able to buy/build a SOHC engine, but I would dare say that 99% of the Cobra owners, if they had the discretionary funds to build and install Barry's or Keith Craft's SOHC, then we/they would. I know I would and may someday.

[ItBites]

fordracing65

First off you do not have everyone's respect as you state above. geeesshh. I can assure you of that.

Second, I have not seen any of your cars (the twin turbo FFR, the SPF, the Kirkham, the bentley, the lambo, the M1, the McLaren) at the drags or the road race courses here in Phoenix... I must have missed you when you went by soooo fast - hahaha. In spite of that, you sure talk a lot of smack. Kinda funny the amount of drivel you spew, given you dont seem to have any real racing experience in your cars.

I will be happy to take you up on your race challenge, and I dont even have an 870 hp cammer! We'll do drags and road race (pick just one of your vastly superior and lower-cost, best value for the money, cars), lowest total time wins. I recommend Speedworld for drags and Inde (Wilcox) for road racing. I'll be there anyway, so why dont ya just come on by. You win, you continue to spew. I win, you put a cork in it.

BTW, you seem to be all about value per measure of performance: Why overspend so much on the esoteric Kirkham, when the F5 can easily outperform it for much less money? I guess its the cool factor of the aluminum coachwork. Wait... cool factor... cool factor... Thats the argument for the cammer, huh?

[Karl Bebout]

WOW! Such vitreol from so many blue oval people! I reiterate, beautiful engine, huge numbers, but what is the HP/$? Sounds like building the engine was all about how much power could be produced, but with a bottomless money pit, what could not be accomplished? I guess I have a different outlook. I have my little, low-buck Cobra, with its low-buck Chebby engine, that runs in the 10s, after driving it 75 miles to the strip, and then back. I guess I could spend huge dollars on an exotic engine to get the same results, but I'd rather have the residual money to take a few trips to Italy.

[csx4910]

Karl, I cannot speak for the other blue oval people but for me I dont care whether it is a BBF or a Chebby, in a cobra I am a lot more impressed with the proper big block(even a chebby one) than a modern small block mustang or camaro engine. If I have a new mustang or Camaro(fugly as it is) that is one thing but would you put the small block V8 from a new camaro in your cobra and expect everyone would drool over it?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Karl Bebout

I reiterate, beautiful engine, huge numbers, but what is the HP/$? Sounds like building the engine was all about how much power could be produced, but with a bottomless money pit, what could not be accomplished?

Karl, Barry's SOHC engine was originally designed and built for the 2009 Engine Masters Challenge under a certain set of contest rules and/or parameters. I don't think money was one of them.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Karl Bebout

WOW! Such vitreol from so many blue oval people! I reiterate, beautiful engine, huge numbers, but what is the HP/$? Sounds like building the engine was all about how much power could be produced, but with a bottomless money pit, what could not be accomplished? I guess I have a different outlook. I have my little, low-buck Cobra, with its low-buck Chebby engine, that runs in the 10s, after driving it 75 miles to the strip, and then back. I guess I could spend huge dollars on an exotic engine to get the same results, but I'd rather have the residual money to take a few trips to Italy.

I could'nt of said it better myself. A Jon Kasse boss 9 engine makes about the same power, runs on less compression 9.8, pump fuel, as opposed to 11.5, doubt thats 93 octane, is fuel injected, and weights less, Price $23,000, cammer $40,000, you do the math, and is 3 cubes less, thats impressive, never said anything else. Same reason I wont buy a roush cammer if he made one it would cost more than this one, and to me thats not a good value for the numbers you are getting. nuff said on this for me. (again this motor was built for competition, and conversation. how stupid would you fell getting beat by a little ol supercharged 5.4 DOHC on pump fuel for 20,000g, oh but the conversation about the cammer would be awesome lol.

[fordracing65]

Conversation, Did you see that cammer in that cobra? I did we just raced, my 5.4 supercharged cobra kicked its ass. How is that his motor costs 40,000 grand? It just does'nt put out as much power as mine, and it only cost me $40,000 for the whole car. Well it did look cool. I guess if you like losing. (ANYTIME YOU CAN MAKE MORE POWER FOR LESS MONEY, ITS ALWAYS MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN MAKING THE SAME POWER FOR MORE MONEY) HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND.

[John Martin]

You can get a 500 dollar hooker or a 5 dollar hooker too.

[csx4910]

If it wasnt for the ORIGINAL Cammer, you wouldn't have yours. This was ever a discussion of power for the money, it was about a cool engine. I could make 800 -1000 hp with a junkyard motor and a bunch of parts with a supercharger but that wouldnt make it cool or worth much if you wanted to sell it. You are 100% right, that motor costs more than your whole car but the difference is that even in this market he could sell his motor for $40000 but a factory five with a mustang engine wouldnt get $20K. Fast yes, cheap horsepower, yes, cooler than that motor - NO