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Old 07-03-2017, 02:06 PM
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I think you are making a good call on the compression ratio. Mine is at about 10:1. I am running a Comp Cams custom grind with 242/248 intake and exhaust durations (@0.050") and lift at 0.642/0.631 respectively and 112 degree LSA. Edelbrock heads with stage 3 porting and the big valves (2.25/1.75). No pinging on 91 octane but it does diesel when I shut it down (timing at 12 degrees at 800 rpm idle and about 38 degrees fully advanced at 2750 or so). If I run a little 95 octane in it the dieseling goes away...it really likes octane level at or above 92-93. With a similar setup and 9.5 to 1 you should be just right I think.
Yes, my 428 had the dieseling problem too.
Good to hear feed back, because my builder is wanting to go that way and being old school I always think higher compression is a good thing. He is educating me on today's fuel and the effect on these older engines.

Cam is a Elgin Pro stock # E 963 P. Cam lift .292, Duration 300 and valve lift .505. It Same numbers int and exh
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Yes, my 428 had the dieseling problem too.
Good to hear feed back, because my builder is wanting to go that way and being old school I always think higher compression is a good thing. He is educating me on today's fuel and the effect on these older engines.

Cam is a Elgin Pro stock # E 963 P. Cam lift .292, Duration 300 and valve lift .505. It Same numbers int and exh
Duration @ 0.050" is 224 degrees on that cam, so a pretty mild build. Should be a nice car to cruise around in.

Good luck with your build.
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Duration @ 0.050" is 224 degrees on that cam, so a pretty mild build. Should be a nice car to cruise around in.

Good luck with your build.
Considering the extra cubes 428vs 482, I'm thinking that cam is too mild.

Many 482s run cams are in the 250s range (I know of some in the 260 range). If I was building a mild 482 I'd consider cams in the 240 range with a relatively wide lsa (110-112). That way the engine can at least breath easy, across its entire rev range.

Others are better placed to advise, but 224 with 482 cubes I've not seen or heard of. Imho You're really hamstringing that engine with such a small cam. Even from a conservative point of view.
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Ps. Good call on SCAT internals and edelbrock heads are always a safe bet on an fe build.

Good luck with it. Can wait to see/hear it once done.
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Duration @ 0.050" is 224 degrees on that cam
Just for comparison. I have a 5.0 stroked to 347. Cam is 236/242 Dur @ 0.050" lift is .555 / .576 with a 110 deg lobe separation installed at 106 intake center line. Advertised 287 / 293 @ 0.006" roller cam.

Engine idle is choppy, but smooths out by 1800 rpm. It does not like to be lugged in 5th gear below 1800, but it can be driven down to 1600 rpm with a bit of care. It does not lack torque at any rpm in the first 4 gears. I believe the .62 5th gear would drive up a 10 deg grade if you keep it above 2000 rpm (never proven).

347/482 * 1800 = 1295, so in theory my cam / head combination would be smoothed out by 1300 rpm with your cid. Now these two engines are too far different for this to be a valid comparison, but it makes a point.

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From Edelbrock FE Stage II - Craft Performance Engines

Edelbrock FE Stage II

2.19/1.75 Valves
28" Water 2"x6" Pipe

Lift ...... Intake CFM ...... Exhaust CFM
.300 .......... 227 ................ 161
.400 .......... 276 ................ 195
.500 .......... 307 ................ 226
.600 .......... 324 ................ 249
.700 .......... 336 ................ 265
.800 .......... 344 ................ 276

Going from 500 to 600 lift is a ~6% flow increase. Of course that is not a 6% Hp increase because the valve is only at maximum lift a short period out of the total duration time.

I did read a book on the 4.6 modular. The author claimed to have reduced the valve lift on a cam profile he was running all out in drag racing, to get a flatter torque curve for a road race car. Same duration just less lift. The dyno sheet he showed did have a flatter torque curve, but he gave up torque pretty much everywhere, which was less Hp. I do believe that at some point going more and more lift, starts giving a higher peak torque in the middle. So you may want to consult with experts -- builders who have a lot of dyno data to compare.

Just one last comment. It has been my observation that builders have to sell Hp because us consumers are unreasonable egomaniacs, who will not listen to reason. So builders are going for maximum hp and rarely look at the torque below 3500-4000 rpm. They cannot afford the time to make sure the timing curve does not came in too fast at low rpm and that is where detonation is at its highest risk. They can skip all that by starting the dyno pull at an rpm above max timing. I'm not tossing rocks here, because I do not blame them. The point being that few people are looking at the torque at lower rpms, unless they have a compelling reason. Drag racers couldn't care less.

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