How can this be done? 428 stroker to 482

[cobrarkc]

Has anyone seen these ads and how can he do what he claims to 428 blocks. He also uses 2.25/1.75 valves on the 470ci block

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/482-F...spagenameZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/470-F...spagenameZWDVW

[blykins]

I posted a response to a thread about this guy in the Lounge a couple weeks back.

As for 428-->482, I'm not sure how he's getting there. With a 4.160" bore, he would need a 4.43 stroke to get to 482.

He may be able to put engines together, but he's not an engine builder.

[jhv48]

Easy, just switch the last two numbers.

Bingo, 482. Why so hard?

[pop66ltd]

Originally Posted by blykins

I posted a response to a thread about this guy in the Lounge a couple weeks back.

As for 428-->482, I'm not sure how he's getting there. With a 4.160" bore, he would need a 4.43 stroke to get to 482.

He may be able to put engines together, but he's not an engine builder.

brent you should tell the whole truth not just enough to start drama.you bought a block from me that you took to another shop and had bored by them,finding a pin hole in one of the cylinders i refunded your money,which was more than fair under the circumstances.i appreciate what some of the readers have said here,having built and sold over 150 engines all being FEs,in last 2 years alone,send them all over the world,ill let my name as well as my skills stand on the reputation that has been built.its clear you have no understanding of machine work or engine building from your thread and look to create drama for the other readers,you sure didnt mind just a week or two ago to contact me for help on an item,so i suppose in your mind our past dealings are fine,until its time to throw some mud.i am truly sad you feel that way,i thought you were a fellow christian as i am and a brother in christ and as such would have no place in defaming anyone.as for all you other readers,you only need to email me from our web site with any question at any time and ill be forthcoming in answering you honestly and fairly as this is how Pops does business.as for the 482-it is a 4.190 bore with a 4.375 stroke,as an engineer,brent should have figured that out relitivly easy.the cylinder walls on all service blocks(428 only)are thicker than the standard block.i have dozens of sonic test to show it to be true.not the rib block but a true 428 service block.the 4.190 is the maximum safe bore you can go with these blocks.also,just a note for the readers,our shop has several hundered thousand dollors worth of equipment as well as machinest with over 20 years experience behind them.most of my time these days is in R & D,as well as short block building.greg stout is our head machinest and performs most of all the machine work,anyone is welcome to stop by at anytime to see us as well as our brand new dyno facility.oh,and yes we sweep the floor before we bore(lol).i hope i have not offended anyone on this site and i would honor the opportunity to speak with any one by phone or email.i am not a big fan of forums and usualy do not participate,however,under the circumstances i felt compelled to set the record straight.someone also asked about the 2.25 and 1.75 valves in the heads,we run these in most of our strokers in the edelbrock head.everyone have a blessed day.

[undy]

If it were me I'd sure be interested in the specific sonic results of any 428 bored 0.060" over, not a so called representative set of results that should indicate that a particular catagory of blocks "should" be capable of accepting a 0,060 over bore. The service blocks had just as much problems with core shifting as any other 428 block. I've seen very few 428s that could accept a 0.060" bore without severely compromising "reliable" cylinder wall thickness. The only thing the service blocks had over the "ordinary" 428 was their increased "cobra jet" style webbing.

This is not meant to throw any stones at an engine builder, just my thoughts on what's said.

[FFR428]

It not just 482 cubes...it's 482 cubes of Python Power!!! That makes a difference!!

[496fe]

If I'm not mistaken, the 428 service block had thicker cylinder walls. I think that's why he makes it clear that these are SERVICE blocks. A number of stroker kits give the FE a 4.250 stroke. 4.250 X 4.250 = 482 CID. The new Genesis, Pond, Shelby etc can be bored out to 4.310" safely. My 496 is 4.250 X 4.310"

[cobred]

Why are guys knocking these engines? Has anyone had bad results or is it just because they are soo much cheaper then the engine builders on this site charge?

[FFR428]

Service blocks are no thicker than production blocks cyl wall wise.

[blykins]

No 428 block will go to 4.250, or even 4.230 for that matter. A 4.250 x 4.250 is meant to start with a 427 block or an aftermarket block.

I have no clue how he's getting to 482, unless it's with a custom billet crankshaft.

Yes, I have had bad experiences with him, a couple of years back. He bores his blocks on the floor with a portable boring machine. That should give you some clue as to how professional the shop is.

Well, I will say this....that was about 3 years ago. He may have changed his ways since then.

[undy]

Originally Posted by blykins

No 428 block will go to 4.250, or even 4.230 for that matter. A 4.250 x 4.250 is meant to start with a 427 block or an aftermarket block.

I have no clue how he's getting to 482, unless it's with a custom billet crankshaft.

Yes, I have had bad experiences with him, a couple of years back. He bores his blocks on the floor with a portable boring machine. That should give you some clue as to how professional the shop is.

Well, I will say this....that was about 3 years ago. He may have changed his ways since then.

I think he sweeps the floor before he bore them now, nothing like process improvements..

[Don]

Pops Performance:

" Premier ford Fe engine builders as well as restoration services available. Pops has taken engine building to the next level with our 30+ years of performance,drag racing and restoration experience. Having the experience is what seperates Pops from the all around engine builder. With the popularity of the Fe has brought forth a need for strong builders,Pops experience with these engines makes us the right choice for your build."

http://www.popsperformancecenter.com/about_us

[patrickt]

From the Pop's website:

Pops is a family owned and operated business that is run on biblical principals.

An I-Beam Rod for an I-Beam Rod, no doubt....

[blykins]

I guess I shouldn't rag on him so bad. I had some bad experiences with him, but that was several years ago. Everyone's gotta start somewhere I suppose.

[Keithc8]

Like they say, there is no Santa Claus and you get what you pay for. I have had several calls from people that got this cheap stuff and are now wondering why they are having problems.
Never heard of the guy and know of no records that he has set with an FE. I did not know there was a need for a new FE Guru all of the sudden. Where have some of these people been the last 20 years before the FE caught on with these new parts.
Take your chances and you might get lucky, that is the chance you take with some of these Ebay only advertisers. Good luck, Keith Craft

[tool time George]

Good question about this builder.He has also advertized/auctioned a SOHC cammer on ebay for 15k.Seems too good to be true.But until he's proven either way,my cash stays put.
it's really sad how difficult it is to choose a builder.heres what i mean.
I saw T&L engines on ebay.I came here and asked advice.U guys said check out ffcobra site,word is there shaky.I go there and bingo an entire thread on how much they suck.thats why were here to help right?
Now i go to ffcobra and T&L now sponsors a thread and everyone there is singing there praise. Like WTF?
Maybe I'm lucky I take forever to make up my mind!lol

[FFR428]

TTGeorge.... Call the guy (Keith Craft) who posted above you. Does not get much better than that.

[olddog]

A 428 bored 0.040 over gives 4.170 bore which would require a 4.41 stroke to get to 482 cid.

A 0.060 over bore would require a 4.375 stroke. This seems plausable to me, if you off set gound a 4.25 crank, I think you could get there.

Not that I have an opinion on the advertiser, just trying to see how he could get there.

[Barry_R]

Don't know about that guy's operation. His pricing seems too cheap to be all that good. Not that I really object to somebody getting a deal - but I know what the parts actually cost. The only variables left are machining and labor - - how cheaply can you get good work done? How cheap are you willing to go to do your best quality work - whether you're a doctor, lawyer, executive, mechanic, or ?

I intentionally never undercut other vendors that throw down on pricing. We price our parts and services as fairly and honestly as possible. Like innumerable other small businesses we will price match if needed (example - I sell more Scat product than anybody in the Great Lakes region other than Summit, and do have the ability to "bomb" pricing on numerous lines - but absolutely refuse to do it) - underpricing the market will only hurt our niche segment - chasing a hustler will take my business out just as quickly as it will his.

When you are looking for a supplier you should find somebody that can deliver proof of their ability to deliver a good product. There are numerous places for a vendor who cares to display their wares. George has proven their skills in the Cobra community. Keith has proven his talents in the Drag Racing world. I choose to use the Engine Masters Challenge. Seems like the subject of this thread has chosen the keyboard...

[Don]

Barry:

Is this the link which includes the detail of your engines for the Engine Masters Challenge ?

http://www.survivalmotorsports.com/

Can you comment on the technical aspects of the initial question at the start of this Thread ?

Has anyone seen these ads and how can he do what he claims to 428 blocks. He also uses 2.25/1.75 valves on the 470ci block

......thanks