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07-29-2011, 04:36 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Cobra Make, Engine: #535 Kirkham 427, 427 Side Oiler
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Kirkham 427 Engine
Whats the latest status with the Kirkham 427 aluminium engine development? Its been a while since we all saw the block being CNC machined. Has it actually been built into a fire breathing, snarling monster, or will it simply remain as a shiny lump of aluminium destined to replace the coffee table stand in the BBC Top Gear studio?  |
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07-29-2011, 07:07 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham 289 FIA, 363 Stroker
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My question is, will it meet the new fuel requirements of 50mpg for 2017.
Kidding, Kidding!
I too look forward to seeing the new kirkham block and the new Kirkham 427 Oil pan in production and action.
Thanks for all you do Kirkhams! |
07-29-2011, 08:33 PM
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Location: Portland,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA FIA, 1964 289->Webers
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They gave it to me to do some road testing. Only thing I had to mount it in was the lawnmower.... Cuts grass like you wouldn't believe!!!!
Actually will be a great project to see come to life!!!
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07-30-2011, 08:39 AM
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Location: Provo,
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Cobra Make, Engine: HiTech Legends GT500
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We got the engine back from Keith. In an effort to try and control some variables it was built up as one of Keith's standard 482. On the dyno it ran just like all the other 482 that Keith built. After the dyno runs Keith checked the bearings and said everything looked good. For the next test we are getting ready to install the engine in Sandwiches car. We hope to be able to really test the engine on our open track day Sept 12.
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07-30-2011, 08:52 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX6363
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Tom, When do you expect to be finished with testing and make the engines available for individuals to buy?
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07-30-2011, 12:19 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF_R_/BRG/FRBoss302/327CI/FordEFI/Under_Car_Exh/
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Sandwich gets all the fun ! --
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07-30-2011, 01:03 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 427 S/C, Twin Paxton 511 FE
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He deserves it.
The whole crew is very hard working and talented but Sandwich takes it to the next level. You rarely see a work ethic like that anymore.
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07-31-2011, 06:29 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Some polish thing... With some old engine
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Tom, When do you expect to be finished with testing and make the engines available for individuals to buy?
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Conservative time line please.... and I promise I won't hold you to it!
Just need to know how long I have to save... 
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08-02-2011, 06:43 AM
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Weight?
Any idea of weight savings yet? Thanks
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02-03-2012, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Kirkham
We got the engine back from Keith. In an effort to try and control some variables it was built up as one of Keith's standard 482. On the dyno it ran just like all the other 482 that Keith built. After the dyno runs Keith checked the bearings and said everything looked good. For the next test we are getting ready to install the engine in Sandwiches car. We hope to be able to really test the engine on our open track day Sept 12.
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Any further news?
Eagerly awaiting...
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02-03-2012, 08:14 AM
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New Project
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Kirkham
We got the engine back from Keith. In an effort to try and control some variables it was built up as one of Keith's standard 482. On the dyno it ran just like all the other 482 that Keith built. After the dyno runs Keith checked the bearings and said everything looked good. For the next test we are getting ready to install the engine in Sandwiches car. We hope to be able to really test the engine on our open track day Sept 12.
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How about some new cylinder heads now, they could be along the lines of the
LS7 design with a new intake to go with them. A 900 HP naturally aspirated FE would be possible and probably well over 1000 HP with compression and radical cam. |
02-03-2012, 11:48 AM
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Location: Orem,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham Motorsports, with a prototype wet sleeve billet aluminum engine block that I made
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Originally Posted by Dimis
Any further news?
Eagerly awaiting...
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This is Sandwich here!
the engine is running well. I've got about 3000 miles on it, and its runs like it should. Unfortunately I don't think we will ever make another one like this one, with the wet sleeves and all, however, I am currently working on a 2nd rendition of the billet block, but this one will be an open deck, perhaps a nikasil lined cylinder. I'd like to get it machined before the open house, but its not looking good so far.
Anyway, from what I've heard, the wet sleeve block made about 630hp, I never saw the dyno sheet, but it seems to pull really hard at 5000 rpm. Its left some brown in my underwear a few times in 3rd gear.
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02-03-2012, 11:54 AM
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Dave Cindrich
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Dave,
Are you related to Tim? 
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02-03-2012, 12:18 PM
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Welcome Dave & thx for the update.
What did you discover about the wet sleeves that have turned you off making another & thinking nikasil will work better?
Or is it purely a cost thing?
Thanks again
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02-03-2012, 12:25 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 2004 Kirkham 427 S/C, Shelby 496C.I.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandwich
This is Sandwich here!
the engine is running well. I've got about 3000 miles on it, and its runs like it should. Unfortunately I don't think we will ever make another one like this one, with the wet sleeves and all, however, I am currently working on a 2nd rendition of the billet block, but this one will be an open deck, perhaps a nikasil lined cylinder. I'd like to get it machined before the open house, but its not looking good so far.
Anyway, from what I've heard, the wet sleeve block made about 630hp, I never saw the dyno sheet, but it seems to pull really hard at 5000 rpm. Its left some brown in my underwear a few times in 3rd gear.
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That's absolutely Awesome!
How was the engine dressed out to do 630Hp?
Single 4, F.I? what heads, cam, intake?
I'm interested in a block if you build them.
Thanks, Curtis
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02-03-2012, 01:49 PM
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Location: Phoenix,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR: 302 w/aluminum heads, Edlebrock injection. Street car trim, no scoop, side pipes or rollbar.
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I hear that the MKII version will be installed in the Governor's limo....
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02-04-2012, 06:04 AM
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Location: Pottstown (East Coventry),
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Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimis
Welcome Dave & thx for the update.
What did you discover about the wet sleeves that have turned you off making another & thinking nikasil will work better?
Or is it purely a cost thing?
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When I was at the open house last year, I think someone mentioned something about the wet sleeve design being a one-off was based on someone else's patent. So I guess licensing with the patent would make the block too expensive. |
02-04-2012, 07:54 AM
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Location: Tempe,AZ-High Point,NC,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #684, 482FE, Mike Mccluskey build
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[quote=Cobra #3170;1173973]How about some new cylinder heads now, they could be along the lines of the
LS7 design with a new intake to go with them. A 900 HP naturally aspirated FE would be possible and probably well over 1000 HP with compression and radical cam.[/QUOTE
Darn right, the FE needs better heads, we dont need a better block or billet even though its cool, heads and intake for power.
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02-04-2012, 08:42 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham Motorsports, with a prototype wet sleeve billet aluminum engine block that I made
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[quote=fordracing65;1174157]
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Originally Posted by Cobra #3170
How about some new cylinder heads now, they could be along the lines of the
LS7 design with a new intake to go with them. A 900 HP naturally aspirated FE would be possible and probably well over 1000 HP with compression and radical cam.[/QUOTE
Darn right, the FE needs better heads, we dont need a better block or billet even though its cool, heads and intake for power.
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We have thought about making heads, but it seems like it would be all most impossible to machine a descent water jacket in around the combustion chamber.
The sleeve problem was about some patent infringements on stuff Darton clams to have patents on. |
02-04-2012, 10:34 AM
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[quote=Sandwich;1174164]
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Originally Posted by fordracing65
We have thought about making heads, but it seems like it would be all most impossible to machine a descent water jacket in around the combustion chamber.
The sleeve problem was about some patent infringements on stuff Darton clams to have patents on.
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Nothing is impossible for you Sandwich, just get it done or else the Governor will be all over you  |
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