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Originally Posted by PDUB
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Originally Posted by Wes Tausend
My health insurance, therefore healthcare, costs as much as is needed to run the entire rest of the country.
John Q. Public
aka Wes
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I'm struggling with your math, Wes. One more time, how did you arrive at this conclusion ? |
Sorry it was unclear. I know it's shocking. My
share of health insurance, therefore healthcare, costs as much as
my share of taxes needed to run the entire rest of the country.
This is according to my monthly with-holding statements and known insurance costs.
Lest you immediately surmise I am not paying
my fair share of with-holding taxes, and the wealthy are overtaxed, I will remind you that workers logically generate all the wealth and therefore all the taxes. Fair share example: Warren Buffett openly admits that his secretary pays more taxes than he does.
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Originally Posted by PDUB
Funny Wayne, I worked in health care just south of you for years, in northern New England, and many of the Canadians that could afford it would come to the states for their healthcare... I saw it over and over again. And they weren't shy about expressing their distaste for your socialist system!
Alternatively, we had a family friend who lost a spouse due to delayed care in the UK's wonderful system.
This isn't going to be pretty...
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I live in a northern state as well and it is not uncommon for folks to cross the border to the nearest good medical center in a larger city or go to Canada for "dangerous" cheap prescription drugs. Or it wasn't uncommon before insane new border papers were required, anyway. Additional paperwork for general border crossings is about as useless as additional paperwork for gun ownership. Doesn't solve much.
Alternatively, my Dad passed away due to delayed/insufficient care in the wonderful US local system.
I imagine Wayne Maybury and others are worried Canada might lose their system if the US caves in to the huge healthcare juggernaut scam we have here.
I see you worked in health-care PDUB. I imagine you didn't get much of the money. People that work rarely do. You might reconsider which tree to bark up.
Wes
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On another tack, I don't think this whole Obama health care thing is worth a hoot. It's already too watered down and will never match Canada or other modern countries. It isn't so much that just politicians are for sale, but the gullible public can be cheaply bought for the most outrageous lies, like shorting seniors in Medicare etc.
After yet another propoganda youtube video, I sent the following email to a co-worker buddy recently:
Jeepers. I don't know where these guys come up with this stuff. But I have a pretty good idea. This congressman could be a victim of the vast "corporate Wall street" propoganda like so many are, or he could just be a knowing shill for the healthcare scam industry. Most of what he said just isn't true. I suppose it's meant to scare people. And, carefully choreographed, it'll probably work, unfortunately. Good grief.
A few things to keep in mind and pass on. The ridiculous amount the company pays for your and my health benefits, plus the $170 a month I/we pay, MEETS OR EXCEEDS the entire amount of my/your Federal With-holding per month. The Fed with-holding RUNS AN ENTIRE COUNTRY. Where on earth does the huge "health" sum go, anyway? Well a large part of it probably goes to spread anti-reform lies. So in effect I/we are paying for our own dis-information campaign. Considering the profits, it's no wonder anti-reform lies and dis-information campaigns are so well funded. Quite logical, really.
Think about this too: Who would you rather have between you and your doctor; a privatized corporate insurance guy; or a lowly paid government guy? Keep in mind the government guy works for you; and the private guy works for his stockholders (quite wealthy stockholders apparently) and himself. If you want neither, the government guy will step aside, he works for you. Again, quite logical.
Health-care can be as economical as police-care, fire-care, road-care or military-care. Can you imagine what these would cost if privatized. I shudder to think. There was never anything wrong with socialism mixed with reasonable capitalism. Dang McCarthyists. Socialism actually defines Democracy, where everybody owns and controls a part. The opposite is zero government interference. It's called Anarchy. Russia is NOT socialist and never was; Russia is one party tyranny. Logic.
Where does the rest of our costly insurance benefit go? Well probably to pay board members and executive corporate officers everywhere. Guess who all belongs to that top one percent, owns half of everything and scratches each others back. When I try to retire, I'll have to come up with the money so that these (blank) may keep living as they have become accustomed. Half of everything I do. You too. Unless we change it... Sheesh. I know I speaking to the choir here. Feel free to pass it on.
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Wes
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Originally Posted by Excaliber
Ernie - I bet those investors bought the boat,,, and the oars.
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That's the way it started. Investors bought the first boat and oars. Investors or the idea isn't all bad. Guess whose been buying the boats since the first one.
Also, I agree to some extent with the loose cannon judge from Fox:
We do not have two political parties in this country. We have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your freedoms.
To merrily carry the
sedition on, I would suggest that the Big Government would be fine if run by ordinary folks. However, it is apparently run by wealthy special interests that own both parties, probably a gross understatement.
Wes
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. In all of the experience that I have in dealing with patients... in all conversations with folks from Canada, or even the UK for that matter... I have never once heard of Americans going to use other systems out of choice. No doubt it happens out of necessity on rare occasions, and by choice even less, but not very often (we are not talking about extenuating geographic circumstances that would trump choice on either side). And never once did I hear from them that, "we prefer to get healthcare in Canada, but we are settling for the second rate services we get here in the states..." On the contrary, they complained about their home systems, and that is why they came here.
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Hybrid Mode
