Help Kill ObamaCare,Donate to Brown in Mass

[Excaliber]

You know that means the Cambridge police acted "stupidly"...

[Ron61]

You know that means the Cambridge police acted "stupidly"...

But they have changed and are no longer acting stupid which is something that Obama can never do.

Ron

[bomelia]

Dems will use "reconcilliation" to pass bill if Brown is elected.

Game over.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...UfFaCh9c&pos=9

The people who want "free stuff" win. The people who have to pay for it, like me, lose. I really have a deep rooted problem with people who want "free stuff" at my expense. But then again, I am being unreasonable, right? A right wing wack job, huh?

Mike

[Ron61]

I talked to a friend in Boston yesterday and he said Obama has came down and is guaranteeing Coakley that he will spend whatever amount it takes to make sure she is re-elected. I hope that he only uses tax payer dollars that came from Mass. I can't vouch for the complete truthfulness of this but I do know he made or is making a trip there to help her.

Ron

[Ron61]

I hope that this link will work, but if not let me know and I will try to find it at another source.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100116/...nedy_successor

Ron

[Excaliber]

I don't understand the problem with Obama going to the state to stump for the Dem's? It's what Presidents and fellow politicians do for each other in every state in virtually every election? Why should the money be limited to the state in question? That too has never been an issue in the past. The "party", Demo or Repub, spends campaign dollars on their chosen candidate, often "national party dollars." Why is this election any different?

[Dan40]

NO problem with obummer stumping for her or the National party pouring money in from out of state. This thread is asking for out of state money for Brown.
Such stumping and financing has happened all across the political spectrum for decades.

In fact, the more obummer backs her, and if she looses, the better it looks for 2010 and 2012.
He made a last minute emergency trip to New Jersey to help in the Governor's race, and that went in the toilet.
The sooner this incompetent, self-aggrandizing buffoon of a president is stripped of any political power, the better it is for the country.

[Excaliber]

Ok, that makes sense, I thought there was something about this election I didn't understand, as it concerns stumping and monies.

As far as 2012 goes, first you have to figure out what party will nominate someone to run against Obama. That is, will the Republican party as we know it even exist in 2012? It's not an unreasonable question. While they may exist, it may well be in "name" only. Seriously, I question whether that national party will recover or be split into one or more factions. If it is we essentially will end up with three national parties, two of which won't be able to muster enough votes to do squat. Therefore, by default, the Democrats will remain in power. Quite possibly well beyond Obama's second term and for decades to come.

Not hyperbole on my part, just an analysis of one possible political future NOT out of the realm of possibility.

[Bill Bess]

You forgot, Dopey with big ears that don't listen.

[Excaliber]

The problem with Dopey.

If he has enough money and has enough votes, he doesn't have to listen. Granted, that's a serious problem. I'm not sure we have serious solution on the horizon.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Ok, that makes sense, I thought there was something about this election I didn't understand, as it concerns stumping and monies.

As far as 2012 goes, first you have to figure out what party will nominate someone to run against Obama. That is, will the Republican party as we know it even exist in 2012? It's not an unreasonable question. While they may exist, it may well be in "name" only. Seriously, I question whether that national party will recover or be split into one or more factions. If it is we essentially will end up with three national parties, two of which won't be able to muster enough votes to do squat. Therefore, by default, the Democrats will remain in power. Quite possibly well beyond Obama's second term and for decades to come.

Not hyperbole on my part, just an analysis of one possible political future NOT out of the realm of possibility.

Your scenario is just liberal Utopian wishfulness with zero basis in fact since neither of us can predict the future. A strong leader could emerge for the Republicans tomorrow. Or one for Independents that Republicans could back.
The chances of that are MORE equal than the chances of obummer, the great orator, NOT opening his mouth without a teleprompter and making a gaff the even NBC cannot ignore.

[Excaliber]

A stong leader emerging is always a possibility. Vegas put's "odds" on such thing like that. The odd's certainly don't favor that happening. My opinion is not based on wishful thinking, it's an opinion based on what I see happening on the right.

Take the radical right for instance. While you can generate all kinds of numbers seemingly showing large support for that group, the fact is, mainstream America is not buying the hype. Certainly not enough "numbers" of people buy into to make a difference. The evidence is clear. The Republicans are in a quandry as to how to incorporate groups like the Tea Party. How to embrace the radical right without embracing them "to much". How to distance themselves from these groups without shutting them out. Indeed the radical right poses more problems for the Republicans than they would like to admit. In short, your not helping "your" party regain it's strength, quite the opposite. Those groups will ultimately be responsible for increased splintering of the party.

Look at Brown in Mass. as a classic example. He really is trying to distance himself from the radical right. Now THINK about that. Why would he do that? Because he, like every other politician, understands that "main stream" America doesn't vote for "radicalism" on either side of the fence. The polls suggest a lack of support for the Demo's. This does not mean there is a broad grass roots movement in support of the Repub's. They have dug themselves a very deep hole and there is no "ladder" in site for them to get out of it anytime soon.

OK, so the Repub's will gather a few seat's in the mid elections. That always happens to the party in power, they loose a few seats. Don't pin your hopes on that as a sign the Repub's are "making a come back", it's false hope.

The Demo's have already started the campaign for 2012. They have the "poor" in their pocket, no matter WHAT they do or don't do. They have a lock on the Latino vote, a group that is growing daily. The Demo's are a money making machine while the Repub's are going broke as a national party. That fact alone should be a wake up call, what's wrong with that picture?

The old white guy groups will soon become a minority in this country. Heck that's already happened in some states and areas. Look at the demographics, the white guys are going down, the rise of minorities is going up. You could justifiably say, "Were doomed". Could be some truth in that.

Wishful thinking? I wish!!!!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Take the radical right for instance. While you can generate all kinds of numbers seemingly showing large support for that group, the fact is, mainstream America is not buying the hype.

I think mainstream america is sick and tired of all the crap from both the far right as well as the far and medium left.

[Excaliber]

That is the point Anthony. The end result will be Democrats remain in power as the country becomes more frustrated and finds no other reasonable solution. The next election will be casting votes AGAINST someone rather than FOR someone.

[Ron61]

Ernie,

Sad but probably true. I have voted against a person more than for one the past few elections as I just don't really like what either party is putting out there.

Ron

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

A stong leader emerging is always a possibility. Vegas put's "odds" on such thing like that. The odd's certainly don't favor that happening. My opinion is not based on wishful thinking, it's an opinion based on what I see happening on the right.

Odds of a strong leader emerging?

Where was obummer in January 2007?

His HISTORY [I know you liberals hate history, but here it is]

Obama was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998, defeating Republican Yesse Yehudah in the general election, and was reelected again in 2002. In 2000, he lost a Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one.

In July 2004, Obama wrote and delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Massachusetts, and it was seen by 9.1 million viewers. His speech was well received and elevated his status within the Democratic Party.

Obama's expected opponent in the general election, Republican primary winner Jack Ryan, withdrew from the race in June 2004. Six weeks later, Alan Keyes accepted the Illinois Republican Party's nomination to replace Ryan. In the November 2004 general election, Obama won with 70% of the vote.

Obama sponsored 71 bills in the US Senate.
These 2, TWO, II, Duo, Dos, passed and were signed by Bush.
No others were passed by the House and Senate:

Successes,

Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act of 2005


Mercury Market Minimization Act of 2007

What were the odds of anyone ever taking notice of this dude? ZERO.

[Excaliber]

Obama, coming from out of nowhere, is certainly an eye opening event. The kind of event odd's makers might say happens every 50 years or so.

Not likely it will happen again for either or any party for another 50 years. BUT, the political climate is such that the odd's could be better than a 50 year cycle this time around. I leave you with "hope" for a "change".

[Ron61]

Ernie,

Don't wish that on anyone. They got change when they elected this teleprompter reading whatever. Change for the sake of change isn't always a good thing and Obama is proving that beyond any doubt.

Ron

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Obama, coming from out of nowhere, is certainly an eye opening event. The kind of event odd's makers might say happens every 50 years or so.

Not likely it will happen again for either or any party for another 50 years. BUT, the political climate is such that the odd's could be better than a 50 year cycle this time around. I leave you with "hope" for a "change".

It is a near CONSTANT in politics. CHECK your history. I made that as painless as I could.

[392cobra]

The average of today's Polls.

Brown (R) 51%
The Wench (L) 45%