Indian Reservation Oil

[Ron61]

Darn, I now wish I was one of these tribes members.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100224/...1wb3ZlcmlzaGVk

Ron

[CobraEd]

I think this is great. Those poor basturds deserve every dime. What we did to the Indian race here was unthinkable.

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[Ron61]

Ed,

I agree with you. I have been on some of the reservations in Arizona and other places and they deserved much better. I know some of the tribe around here and they have a big Casino just South of Redding and the people complain about it all the time as it takes away from their darn bingo games. One of the managers of the casino has been a friend of mine for over 25 years and the casino has really improved their lifestyle. And they do help all the tribe out, not just the top people.

Ron

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

I think this is great. Those poor basturds deserve every dime. What we did to the Indian race here was unthinkable.

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Screw the Indians.

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

I think this is great. Those poor basturds deserve every dime. What we did to the Indian race here was unthinkable.

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Hate to be "insensitive" but "we" does not include me. I was not there, and you, were not either. I say this purely as a conservative. All this kind of thinking does is lead to reverse discrimination, unwarranted guilt, and further destruction of affected people. "we" would not do this stuff today nbecause we have (hopefully) learned from our ancestor's mistakes. Now is the time to bury the axe and choose "enlightened" paths forward. It makes no dam sense to elevate one at the expense of another out of some stupid sense of guilt for something you & I did not actually
do.

Mike (said with much due respect for CE, no disrespect intended)

[Ron61]

No one is elevating them out of any sense of guilt. If the Govt. had know the oil was there do you think they would have given them that desert land? Besides, we are apologizing to the Japanese every day for dropping the bomb on them in World War 11. The Indians were here before our forefathers and they stole the land from them. WE didn't drop the bomb on Japan either as most of us wasn't around when it happened, but that doesn't stop the continual apologizing. I stick with my statement that the Indians deserve everything they get. WE still get blamed for slavery but how many of you had slaves?

Ron

[Cobrabill]

This probably won't be familiar to you "non-Tucsonans".But a couple of years ago a co-ed killed her roommate (also female)at the U of A.She was charged and released.BUT she was forced to sign EXTRADITION PAPERS before she went home to the reservation.

Reservations are always what everyone has in their mind.There is one here that is just about 5 or 6 city blocks big.My firend has a Diesel shop on the "edge" of the reservation.The way the laws are some drunk Indian( not a stereo-type btw)could cross the street kill my firend Frank and just run back across the street and local.State & Federal LE can't touch them.This is just one problem with the Indians.

Screw Tonto.

Ron, show me the most recent apology to Japan.

[Ron61]

Bill,

Don't they have reservation police that will work with the local law enforcement? It was an Indian policeman that took me on a tour of one of the reservations many years ago. Lousy land that would hardly grow weeds and then we wonder why they are bitter. The tribes here have it much better and have a good working relationship with the local LEOs. And the casinos have really improved their living standard.

Ron

[Cobrabill]

Ron,Tonto can REFUSE extradition.It will eventually happen but that is not the point.

In Yuma where our track(s) cross the Colorado is a single track bridge.The UP is double tracking the Sunset route.The bridge is on Indian land.They won't let the railroad build another bridge.So Tonto & company is screwing with the economy of the United States.EVERYONE should have a major problem with this.

BTW-you forgot the Japan thingy.....

[Ron61]

Bill,

So many things and people are screwing with the economy that it would take a page to just list them. I am not saying they should be exempt from the law, just that their land was stolen in the first place. I have no more sympathy for the ones that break the law than I do anyone else, but I also hate the Diplomatic Immunity given to diplomats and that goes for ours in other countries as well as theirs in this country. The Indians won't let them build another bridge and the Environmentalists won't let them build one at Dunsmuir where they have had continual train wrecks because of that very sharp curve. A few years ago they had one that killed everything along the river and clear into the lake. No bridge as it might mess up the fish habitat.
Sorry for the long rants. I am not trying to argue, just feel lousy and can't seem to get my mind to work at all this morning. Eight straight weeks of doctors visits have let me kind of in a daze.

Ron

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Bill,

So many things and people are screwing with the economy that it would take a page to just list them. I am not saying they should be exempt from the law, just that their land was stolen in the first place. I have no more sympathy for the ones that break the law than I do anyone else, but I also hate the Diplomatic Immunity given to diplomats and that goes for ours in other countries as well as theirs in this country. The Indians won't let them build another bridge and the Environmentalists won't let them build one at Dunsmuir where they have had continual train wrecks because of that very sharp curve. A few years ago they had one that killed everything along the river and clear into the lake. No bridge as it might mess up the fish habitat.
Sorry for the long rants. I am not trying to argue, just feel lousy and can't seem to get my mind to work at all this morning. Eight straight weeks of doctors visits have let me kind of in a daze.

Ron

Their land?They weren't the first ones here.Neither were we.

Sorry,but EnviroMENTALISTS don't have enough clout to stop a railroad.Something else is "afoot".

[Ron61]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Their land?They weren't the first ones here.Neither were we.

Sorry,but EnviroMENTALISTS don't have enough clout to stop a railroad.Something else is "afoot".

Sorry Bill but you are wrong about that. They have wanted to build that railroad bridge to take out the dangerous curve for the past 20 years and the very mention of it has the Environmentalists in court. They have also in the past 10 years here in this area stopped any construction of 2 highway bridges, any dams or power plants, yet they are leading the screaming about the need for more power but they want wind power. So about 6 years ago they fund a place up near Burney on the mountain that would work for wind power, got all the permits and everything and guess what. Here came the Environmentalists and took it to court to stop it as it would ruin the skyline for the few people that can actually see that part of it. They lost that fight and last summer they started the job and now the Environmentalists are suing to keep any power lines from being ran from the turbines to any place at that will spoil the urban scenery if you hike 15 miles up these canyons and happen to see one of them. But on a more LOGICAL note for the Environmentalists, they are also demanding more power as they drive their brand new SUVs from city to city to protest anything they can find. The Enviromentallists here have more power than the railroad and sometimes I think the state.

Ron

[Cobrabill]

[quote=Ron61;The Enviromentallists here have more power than the railroad and sometimes I think the state.Ron [/QUOTE]

Here is how the railroads work.They want to build a double track bridge over a wash(single track is already there)They burn down the old one,and while they are rebuilding the first one,they put up the second one.NO-ONE and a mean NO-ONE can stop them.

[Roscoe]

All the Indians here in Jersey own 7-11's.........

Roscoe

[bomelia]

That's why we call them "Native Americans". Indians was a poor choice back in the day.

Ron, they deserve what they find. I'm just not in the camp of guilt and culpability. I do not appologize for Japan (A-bomb), slavery, Native American abuses, etc. Sometimes, I think it would be an interesting thought experiment to play with: Imagine if we could erase all the really big, negative historical actions (without consequence)... not them actually, just knowledge of them. Really wipe it out. In 70 years or so, most of the oral tradition regarding these events would be gone as well. Blacks would have no memory of slavery and racism as we know (knew it). And so on.

If people did not have these anchors in their lives, then how much better off would we all be? Unfortunately, once an agrieved person finds out about the anchor, they start dragging it around with them. Then appologists come along and help fasten it securely to that person's body. Thats called being an enabler.

We try not to do that to our kids, and we should stop doing it to others as well. The only reason people continue to live in perpetuity as victims is because we give legs to their victimhood. AND NOBODY TODAY was ever there. Its stupid and wrong headed to continue this.

Mike (said with luv)

[Ron61]

Originally Posted by bomelia

That's why we call them "Native Americans". Indians was a poor choice back in the day.

Ron, they deserve what they find. I'm just not in the camp of guilt and culpability. I do not appologize for Japan (A-bomb), slavery, Native American abuses, etc. Sometimes, I think it would be an interesting thought experiment to play with: Imagine if we could erase all the really big, negative historical actions (without consequence)... not them actually, just knowledge of them. Really wipe it out. In 70 years or so, most of the oral tradition regarding these events would be gone as well. Blacks would have no memory of slavery and racism as we know (knew it). And so on.

If people did not have these anchors in their lives, then how much better off would we all be? Unfortunately, once an agrieved person finds out about the anchor, they start dragging it around with them. Then appologists come along and help fasten it securely to that person's body. Thats called being an enabler.

We try not to do that to our kids, and we should stop doing it to others as well. The only reason people continue to live in perpetuity as victims is because we give legs to their victimhood. AND NOBODY TODAY was ever there. Its stupid and wrong headed to continue this.

Mike (said with luv)

Mike,

I don't feel guilty about any of that stuff, I just thought that they deserved the oil. Now I just wonder what our Govt. will do with it. Probably sell it to some other country for half of what we pay for oil. Heck, I think that any race or group that has the good fortune they had deserves that. By the way, I enjoyed your Pig story. Now I know why you are such a good runner.

Ron

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Roscoe

All the Indians here in Jersey own 7-11's.........

Roscoe

When Indians gewt married they scrape off that red dot on their brides forehead to see whether they won a 7-11 or a AM/PM.

[RAZOR]

Actually the land was not always stolen. The Pilgrims paid the Indians for land, so did the Puritans. William Penn received the largest land grant ever given by the King of England, but he recognized that the Indigenous people would not see it the same way and Penn paid them for the land. This is not to dismiss the violence against the Indians but it was not always a land grab.

[CobraEd]

Here is my simple minded question, . . . . . Aren't the indians free to move out into mainstream society and thus gradually reduce the need for the reservations. For the ones obviously unable to afford a college education, there are still lots of blue collar jobs out there. Why don't they gradually assimilate little by little. One generation of decent paying blue collar jobs leads to the next generation of white collar jobs.

The Irish, are no longer all cops in NYC, and the Italians are no longer all living in Little Italy in NYC. They have ASSIMILATED.



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[BeanCounter]

My grandmother was full blood Cherokee and my 4gt grandfather was a pretty famous Indian fighter in the Cumberland valley. So here goes my opinion. You don't see reservations for the Celts in Britain nor for any other Europeans who had their ancestral homelands taken by the "barbarians" as they moved westward. So what's so special about the Indians? How far back in history do we go? It's time to get over what happened several hundred years ago and integrate into one society the way that the Europeans have. Screw reparations too.