Gun Control

[JoeT]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

There are hundreds of articles and hard statistics debunking the self-defense myth:

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More irrefutable evidence (to ignore):



Who would have thought...more guns = more death by guns.
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Tenrocca,

It's interesting that you are ONLY concerned with FIREARM deaths. Myself, I'm concerned with all homicides. A little talked about fact, IN AUSTRALIA, where it's an (anti)gun utopia after the 2007 ban, homicides briefly increased and then LEVELED OFF to pre ban figures. People are still being killed, just not by gun. So I would think that translates to the "gun ban" had no effect on homicides. So you may be correct that "more gun = more gun crime", but the reality is that less guns actually have ZERO effect on actual homicides (which I think is what we are all really trying to reduce). Then take into account that the Homicide death in the US has actually decreased in the very same time period, while gun laws have actually loosened.

Then factor in that "deaths by firearms" include suicide and accidental deaths. Statistically 60% of all gun deaths in the US are suicides. The suicide rate in Australia is reported to be 11/100,000 verses the USA of 12.6/100,000. So unless you were one of the 1.6 per 100,000 I would think this is number is "negligible" due to other outlying factors (much like Japan having a significant higher rate than the US and Australia.


Oh, and for the record....using Mother Jones as a form of "authority" of anything is laughable.


On a side thought, don't think of yesterday as a Mass shooting, think of it as a terrorist attack, because that's what it was. The gun(s) were just the instrument used. Those people would be just as dead today if they uses a pressure cooker bomb (as they did in Boston) of detonated the IED's and pipebombs that they had at their home.

dead is dead and murdered is murdered. Knife, bat, bomb, car, bathtub, gun, or poisoning shouldn't matter.

Man has killed man since Kane killed Abel, new laws aren't going to change that...not today, and unfortunately not tomorrow.

[Tim7139]

Let us not forget, our current esteemed leader, as a Harvard prof, is on record as stating to colleagues more than once, he believes civilians should not own firearms.
How about, as a rational start, maybe we enforce laws on the books, consider real mandatory firearms crimes sentencing, and develop some comprehensive mental health laws. Maybe if some of these deranged scitzoids state time after time their intention to harm.........we take them at their words.

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by JoeT

Tenrocca,

It's interesting that you are ONLY concerned with FIREARM deaths. Myself, I'm concerned with all homicides. A little talked about fact, IN AUSTRALIA, where it's an (anti)gun utopia after the 2007 ban, homicides briefly increased and then LEVELED OFF to pre ban figures. People are still being killed, just not by gun. So I would think that translates to the "gun ban" had no effect on homicides. So you may be correct that "more gun = more gun crime", but the reality is that less guns actually have ZERO effect on actual homicides (which I think is what we are all really trying to reduce). Then take into account that the Homicide death in the US has actually decreased in the very same time period, while gun laws have actually loosened.

My original point was on the Mass shootings, of which there have been none in Oz since 1996.

As murdering someone using a gun was always in the lower percentage of all murders in Australia (as guns were never as easy to get as they are in the US), the impact of restricting their sale and type was not ever going to be as great as it would be in the US, where murder by guns is by far the most common way to kill someone (67% of all murders).

The graph is just a graph of real data, its source is irrelevant as I was not highlighting any observations\interpretations\analysis made by the source. Anyone with half a brain can see the obvious trend. You probably cant.

Cheers

[JoeT]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

My original point was on the Mass shootings, of which there have been none in Oz since 1996.

As murdering someone using a gun was always in the lower percentage of all murders in Australia (as guns were never as easy to get as they are in the US), the impact of restricting their sale and type was not ever going to be as great as it would be in the US, where murder by guns is by far the most common way to kill someone (67% of all murders).

wasn't there one just just last month outside a daycare/ I remember reading about it the same day (or maybe the next) after pResident obama was calling for more sensible laws, like those in Australia. I think it was right after the Umpqua shooting, so maybe October?

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by JoeT

wasn't there one just just last month outside a daycare/ I remember reading about it the same day (or maybe the next) after pResident obama was calling for more sensible laws, like those in Australia. I think it was right after the Umpqua shooting, so maybe October?

No there wasnt. One person shot by one person with a single hand gun might have been what you were thinking about that got a bit of press?

Here is a great article:
http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncat...ontrol-regime/

[JoeT]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

No there wasnt. One person shot by one person with a single hand gun might have been what you were thinking about that got a bit of press?

Here is a great article:
Australia Enjoys Another Peaceful Day Under Oppressive Gun Control Regime | The Betoota Advocate

I think it was this one I was thinking of..

Civilian police worker, gunman killed in Australia shooting - CNN.com

I know it's "only 3" but our government classifies anything more than 1 a mass shooting (it helps the tragic ratings to push for more) Similar statistics when they use "children"as 20 years old and younger and "school shootings" for any shooting within 1320' of a school

yes, I agree... there are more shooting deaths in the US, but that number does not equate to more suicides or homicides. I don't know the actual number, but if you take out the 60% that are suicides and that from the remaining 40% it's said that the numbers are approximately 70% of those are "gang related". That leaves few that are causes by "average citizens" that are gun owners