The Anger Of The Left

[Ron61]

Steve,

Unfortunately I just don't see any near future settlement to this mess. And as for the Muslims not being the way I described them, that is kind of like everyone hating the Germans after the war. Most of the common German people were just trying to survive and many hated Hitler, but all were Germans so that naturally made them die hard Nazis to most people. I do think Saddam needed to go, but then I think a couple of others do also, one being that insane idiot in North Korea. And I agree, we are not the world's police force, nor should we try to be. Fred's post by Ben Stein is very accurate in my opinion, which I know amounts to nothing. I don't agree with all of the Muslim or so called rag head bashing that goes on around here. Two have had to close their store and gas station and leave because of some of our radicals who threatened them, but these same radicals never were in the military, and will never do anything for this country except make asses of themselves. I don't like the cross burning that happened in Anderson some time back either, because they hired a black police chief. If I only knew the answers to all of these problems, I would be intelligent enough to build myself a space ship and get off this planet.
Heck, Jamo would probably finance it for me if he could get rid of me for good.

Ron

[cobra de capell]

I hate to say it, but under Hussein it actually was stable.

He was paying the families of suicide bombers, among other things. He was killing his own people. He more than likely has MMD's and was mad enough to use them. So, you think that business as usual was the route to go with him, even given the World Trade Center scenario? He would have paid all those families as well and anyone else that killed Americans, etc.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by VRM

It's an Anglo-American dream car.

And technically, as a commonwealth realm Queen Elizabeth is the Canadian head of State.

Steve

OK, Steve - so, how many Cobra's were originally made on the Anglo side? Also, don't role your eyes at me as I've got a stick.

[trularin]

They were thinking of making this thread into a movie, but it is too much like CNN with comments.

[Sizzler]

Ben Stein is right. We're all useless, living pointless lives.

The Wenzhou airport bookstore stocks a volume titled, Actually, You Don't Understand the Wenzhou People. It shares a shelf with The Feared Wenzhou People, The Collected Secrets of How Wenzhou People Make Money, and The Jews of the East: The Commercial Stories of Fifty Wenzhou Businessmen. For the Chinese, this part of Zhejiang Province has become a source of fascination, and the local press contributes to the legend. Recently, Wenzhou's Fortune Weekly conducted a survey of local millionaires. One question was: If forced to choose between your business and your family, which would it be? Of the respondents, 60 percent chose business, and 20 percent chose family. The other 20 percent couldn't make up their minds.

From the beginning, an element of desperation helped create the Wenzhou business tradition. The region has little arable soil, and the mountainous landscape made for bad roads to the interior. With few options, Wenzhou natives turned to the sea, developing a strong trading culture by the end of the Ming dynasty, in the 17th century. But they lost their edge after 1949, when the communists came to power and cut off overseas trade links, as well as most private entrepreneurship. Even in the early 1980s, when Deng Xiaoping's free-market reforms began to take hold, Wenzhou started with distinct disadvantages. Residents lacked the education of people in Beijing, and they didn't attract the foreign investment of Shanghai. When the government established the first Special Economic Zone, whose trade and tax privileges were designed to spur growth, they chose Shenzhen, which is near Hong Kong.

But Wenzhou had the priceless capital of native instinct. Families opened tiny workshops, often with fewer than a dozen workers, and they produced simple goods. Over time, workshops blossomed into full-scale factories, and Wenzhou came to dominate certain low-tech industries. Today, one-quarter of all shoes bought in China come from Wenzhou. The city makes 70 percent of the world's cigarette lighters. Over 90 percent of Wenzhou's economy is private.

The Wenzhou Model, as it became known, spread throughout southern Zhejiang Province. Although nearly 80 percent of all Zhejiang entrepreneurs have a formal education of only eight years or less, the province has become the richest in China by most measures. The per capita incomes for both rural and urban residents are the highest of any Chinese province (this excludes specially administered cities such as Shanghai and Beijing). Zhejiang reflects China's economic miracle: a poor, overwhelmingly rural nation that has somehow become the world's most vibrant factory center.

We're a bunch of lazy, entitlement-due, layabouts and I have absolutely no idea why anyone would fight and die to preserve this culture.

As for the Canadian border, just another example of maybe good ideas and intentions badly managed by the powers that be:

A globe-trotting Atlanta lawyer with a dangerous strain of tuberculosis was allowed back into the U.S. by a border inspector who disregarded a computer warning to stop him and don protective gear, officials said Thursday. The inspector has been removed from border duty.

The unidentified inspector explained that he was no doctor but that the infected man seemed perfectly healthy and that he thought the warning was merely "discretionary," officials briefed on the case told The Associated Press.

I bet when they send in the suicide small-pox carriers, they'll still look healthy too.

Again, maybe good intentions, but just more and more bad executions. Time to pull the plug on the inept in power today. Maybe tomorrow's clueless will be better. One can only hope. Hope is the only thing left in our worthless existences.

[wtm442]

Sizzler

There is NO cure for stupidity.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

OK, Steve - so, how many Cobra's were originally made on the Anglo side? Also, don't role your eyes at me as I've got a stick.

CdC,
There were more original Cobras built entirely in the UK than in the US.

Yet, you seek to take credit from a country and give it to your own.

You don't deserve a Cobra. I think you should give it to Mike (Bomelia) and let him finally enjoy the bits (albeit replica) that the English contributed.

Don't play with sticks. You are just going to hurt yourself. My mum used to tell me that when I was 5 and still playing with sticks.

Oh, and it's 'roll your eyes', not 'role'.

Steve

[TampaFla]

Looks as though the anger on the left is going to be equally matched by the fear on the right. According to noted Fox News analyst Fred Barnes, the deliema facing Republicans up for reelection in 08 is that to get the nomination they must appeal to the "core" conservative right, but the very position(s) they'd have to take to appeal to the core would lose them the general election. Seems their fear is not of the left but of the very angry "middle."

Which is why many Republicans up for reelection are both trying to hug "W" and also say they never heard of him.

[Ron61]

Tampa,

In many ways both parties seem to have worked themselves into corners on some issues. It will be interesting to see if either party mentions anything they have done during their terms in office or if they concentrate on what the other party did wrong as usual. Just how long has it been since you have heard any politician run for re-election and use what they had done while in power as a platform instead of all the bad things about everyone else that may oppose them for their job.

Ron

[TampaFla]

Precisely Ron, It's almost a "pundit" fact that no candidate for the Republican Party wants to be seen in the company of George W. Bush. Similarly, many Democrats are waking up to realize that Hillary is "unelectable" (money is not everything).
What's bothering both parties in what happened in 06. suddenly an election was decided/decisively by the "middle." Worse, the middle is angry (as Fred Thompson correctly said yesterday) at both the Republicans and the Democrats. It is far more likely the "middle" will be voting against candidates not for them (so both sides need to make sure they are not on the hated list).

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by VRM

CdC,
There were more original Cobras built entirely in the UK than in the US.

Yet, you seek to take credit from a country and give it to your own.

You don't deserve a Cobra. I think you should give it to Mike (Bomelia) and let him finally enjoy the bits (albeit replica) that the English contributed.

Don't play with sticks. You are just going to hurt yourself. My mum used to tell me that when I was 5 and still playing with sticks.

Oh, and it's 'roll your eyes', not 'role'.

Steve

There were more original Cobras built entirely in the UK than in the US.

Is there a way to confirm that? On the other hand, it really doesn't make any difference. My understanding was that only the body may have been built in the UK. But I do appreciate your parental type insight. UK types just contributed to the making of Cobra's. No one that I know think of the Cobra as an English car - if they did, no one would built one and no one would have bought one in the first place.

By the way, have you thought about seeing anyone regarding to your obvious clinchpoop condition? I know of someone that would really like to help you out. He even will visit you at your place for a consultation - interested?

[BeanCounter]

Tampa,

I think you're right. Here's an exact quote from e-mails that I sent both of my Senators and my Representative.

"If you don't vote to send them back, I'm not voting to send you back........no matter who is running against you. I refuse to vote for a politician who condones breaking the law." I'm hoping VRM is really a Frenchman here illegally.

And we wouldn't even want to get into the email I sent John McCain.

[Ron61]

By Original Cobras I would guess you are counting the CSX, COX, and COBs all. The CSX Cobras were built here in Los Angles but the bodies and original chassis came from Thames Dutton I believe it was. They used to race them as AC/Bristol and for some reason Bristol quit making engines for them. So AC wound up with a bunch o0f bodies and no engines. Ford had just came out with their 221 CI. and Shelby decided to see if one would work in the AC Body. They flew one with a 4 speed to England, put it in a car and tested it. They then removed the engine and transmission and brought them back here and had the bodies and chassis shipped over. By the time they got to making them Ford had moved the 221 CI engine up to 289 and that is the ones that you hear about first.

Ron

[chopper]

Tampa:

I think you're correct. Interesting article in the WSJ this morning by Peggy Noonan, former speech writer for Ronald Reagan, in which she pretty much puts the stake in GWB's heart:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/column...jrss=frontpage

Also, there are reports coming out that RNC contributions are off 40%. Most of the pundits are blaming the President's stand on the immigration bill. Apparently the only thing lower than Bush's ratings right now are those of Congress.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

There were more original Cobras built entirely in the UK than in the US.

Is there a way to confirm that? On the other hand, it really doesn't make any difference. My understanding was that only the body may have been built in the UK. But I do appreciate your parental type insight. UK types just contributed to the making of Cobra's. No one that I know think of the Cobra as an English car - if they did, no one would built one and no one would have bought one in the first place.

By the way, have you thought about seeing anyone regarding to your obvious clinchpoop condition? I know of someone that would really like to help you out. He even will visit you at your place for a consultation - interested?

Do you know anything about Cobras?? Do you know what a CSX number is? Do you know what a COB or COX number is? Have you ever seen an AC Ace?

Is the Tiger an American dream car because of its American V8?

Since you obviously don't have a bloody clue as to the history of the Cobra...
ACs engine supplier (Bristol if memory serves) stopped making the motor for the Ace. Shelby offered to buy empty chassis and bodies with changed motor mounts to accept the SB Ford. AC shipped the bodies and chassis to the US and Shelby and some of his dealers installed the motors. The contract with AC also allowed them to build Cobras on their own. These were the COB and COX serial numbered cars. They were assembled completely in the UK, and sold primarily to UK and European customers. I forget the exact numbers, but I am pretty sure that it is less than 100. I want to say about 90, but don't quote me on that. Compare that to the total number of Cobras completely assembled in the US - zero I think.

Sure theres a way to confirm it...learn something about it. But you would rather insult a guy (AHarris) than get your facts straight.

I still think you and Mike should trade. You get his engine (the American dream part) and he gets your car (Anglo-American hybrid replica).

Steve

[VRM]

Originally Posted by BeanCounter

Tampa,

I think you're right. Here's an exact quote from e-mails that I sent both of my Senators and my Representative.

"If you don't vote to send them back, I'm not voting to send you back........no matter who is running against you. I refuse to vote for a politician who condones breaking the law." I'm hoping VRM is really a Frenchman here illegally.

And we wouldn't even want to get into the email I sent John McCain.

No such luck Bernie, I've got relatives on my mums side going back to a little after the Mayflower. Maybe someday I'll let you win an argument just so you don't hate me as much...

And good job on your emails. I've been sending similar to mine for a while, though I doubt the KKs will pay any attention. The good news is that someone supposedly is going to run against Kerry. Kennedy has even lost a lot of support from the locals for his stance on immigration.

Steve

[VRM]

Originally Posted by chopper

Tampa:

I think you're correct. Interesting article in the WSJ this morning by Peggy Noonan, former speech writer for Ronald Reagan, in which she pretty much puts the stake in GWB's heart:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/column...jrss=frontpage

Also, there are reports coming out that RNC contributions are off 40%. Most of the pundits are blaming the President's stand on the immigration bill. Apparently the only thing lower than Bush's ratings right now are those of Congress.

Chopper,
Do you agree with some or all of that article??

Steve

[ttmb]

Originally Posted by trularin

This thread is getting ugly quickly.

Proves Sowell's point.

[chopper]

Originally Posted by VRM

Chopper,
Do you agree with some or all of that article??

Steve

I think Peggy Noonan has a pretty good thumb on the pulse of the party.

I've said all along that I don't agree with the President on the subjects of immigration and NAFTA. Border security is wrapped up in the immigration problem (or vice versa, take your pick). I think the President is flat wrong on this issue and that the proposed "immigration reform" is a sellout to the liberal Hispanic lobby. Yes, I know, immigrants are not all Hispanic. But the reality is that the immigration problem being discussed here deals primarily with Hispanics entering the country through Mexico.

I work with, and my wife employs, several Hispanic people. It is my personal experience and observation that those Hispanics who are in this country legally are at least as upset with the illegals as are most of the rest of us. It's especially acute here in the southwestern states. The situation centers around two points: (1) how to close the US-Mexican border (and, again IMHO, the US-Canadian border) and (2) what to do with 12 million illegal aliens now in this country. For my money, we should use whatever force is necessary to close the borders, and begin rounding up those here illegally and forcibly returning them to their homes of origin. But that's my opinion. I would hazard a guess that, with contributions off by 40% and the RNC laying off most of its solicitors, it appears many of my fellow conservatives feel the same.

Now, if some of you liberals would tell Pelosi the same thing, maybe we could get on with fixing the problem.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by VRM

Do you know anything about Cobras?? Do you know what a CSX number is? Do you know what a COB or COX number is? Have you ever seen an AC Ace?

Is the Tiger an American dream car because of its American V8?

Since you obviously don't have a bloody clue as to the history of the Cobra...
ACs engine supplier (Bristol if memory serves) stopped making the motor for the Ace. Shelby offered to buy empty chassis and bodies with changed motor mounts to accept the SB Ford. AC shipped the bodies and chassis to the US and Shelby and some of his dealers installed the motors. The contract with AC also allowed them to build Cobras on their own. These were the COB and COX serial numbered cars. They were assembled completely in the UK, and sold primarily to UK and European customers. I forget the exact numbers, but I am pretty sure that it is less than 100. I want to say about 90, but don't quote me on that. Compare that to the total number of Cobras completely assembled in the US - zero I think.

Sure theres a way to confirm it...learn something about it. But you would rather insult a guy (AHarris) than get your facts straight.

I still think you and Mike should trade. You get his engine (the American dream part) and he gets your car (Anglo-American hybrid replica).

Steve

According to Ron above - the UK may have assembled some body parts, but that's it - I doubt that any Cobra fully assembled in the UK made it out of the driveway. The UK is clearly lame when it comes to cars. Also, be careful about trying to give away my Cobra, as I'll end up with two Cobra's in the end, including your Cobra. In fact, PM your address.