Israelis Bomb Nuke Site???

[Ron61]

Mike,

I saw that and also read this.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...s__well_w.html

Ron

[CobraEd]

Its amazing how they they state that they will wipe Syria off the map. If we did not provide them with EVERYTING, they would not be in a position to do anything. They would still be living in tents on the desert floor with swords for weapons. What the hell did we create?

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[Roscoe]

Your kidding right?

Let's take a look at Nobel Prize winners, medical breakthroughs and patents compared to any country in the middle east.

If it wasn't for oil the A-Rabs would still be Bedouins in tents with camels and swords and eating with the correct hand.

Roscoe

[rdorman]

Israel and Palenstine.... look at it this way, what would the United State do if Mexico claimed California as its own and lobbed missiles over the border

[REAL 1]

Ed. You can't be that ignorant. Seriously.

Sounds like you wish they were in a defensless position. Hmmm. I wonder what your reaction would be if a scud missile found its way to your backyard killed your kids, dog, wife and neighbors. What would your reaction be Ed.

You can't be for real.



Roscoe nails it once again. Hoorah!

[VRM]

Originally Posted by rdorman

Israel and Palenstine.... look at it this way, what would the United State do if Mexico claimed California as its own and lobbed missiles over the border

Probably the same thing we would do if the UN declared that Ohio was going to be the new homeland for refugee Martians.

Steve

[rdorman]

Do they come in peace?

[VRM]

Originally Posted by rdorman

Do they come in peace?

Ooooo...Touche on that one!

Steve

[REAL 1]

First, the Mexicans have claimed rights to southern California in the past.

Second, once again VRMs analogy is "lightyears off" from begin applicable. Maritans never inhabited, controlled and had a country in Ohio.

The Israelis did inhabit what is Israel dating back to before Christ and before Islam, there was an ancient country called Israel run and controlled by the jews for thousands of years. The terriority was offered to be divided and shared after WWII by the UN and the controlling power, Great Britain. The arabs turned the offer down. They therefore lost out. Another great move by the arabs.

Hopefully VRM will never let himself get confused by the facts.

Nice try.

392Cobra: Great post! Its nice to know the Mullah's asses are showing under their skirts and exposed. Its about time "we pop a cap in their ass". We/Israel better strike first before they do. They only understand one thing, a bloody nose.

If its a joint operation with Britain, France, Israel and the US there done. Someones got to stop/kill the evil.

[Roscoe]

Here's why they have no homosexuals in Iran:



http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2396,00.html

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Roscoe

Here's why they have no homosexuals in Iran:



http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2396,00.html

Well, the article also states that they were abusing a minor. Not a good punishment for being gay, but certainly fitting for abusing a minor.

Steve

[REAL 1]

VRM. Nice try.

Is that the best you can do is cite sporadic limited acts of violence over 60 years by kooks, outlaws and out of print terrorist gangs which the Government of Israel condemns and will punish appropriately violators for such acts today. There are bad apples in every barrel. Never said there weren't. It must have taken you awhile to research those incidents. Now try doing a google on Arab terrorists, palestinian terrorits and compare. It won't take you nearly as long to amass a universe of information and attacks to long to list here unless you have days to do it.

But lets roll out the list or never ending scroll (more appropriately) of the terrorist acts the arabs and Palestinians are guilty of everyday on an on going basis and part of the official Palestinian infatada and Muslim Koran play book to erradicate jews and Israel.

More importantly, the policies, goals, ideologies of the two groups and government bodies are worlds apart. This is the real reason there is a good guy and a bad guy in this story. There is a right and wrong despite the sporadic missteps that you may point to on Israels side.

Simple question. Would you rather be an arab living in Israel or a jew living in a Muslim country? If you answer honestly, without any bullchit that says it all.

If a lesser man might be turned against the jews by my "rants" which cite fact and show whose on the side of right then let that lesser man be an antisemite as I would expect of lesser men who are ignorant.

[rdorman]

Interesting post Fred (392Cobra). One thing you said really caught my eye: "A third is it was a hit on the stockpile of Saddam's chemical/bio weapons snuck out of Iraq and into Syria for safekeeping before the US invasion of April 2003." I said a long, long time ago (here as I recall) that I have it on very good authority that the main reason that we never found WMD's in Iraq is because Sadam snuck them (and many other things including $$) into Syria before the invasion. Syria isn't talking because they don't want the world to know what was targeted. Suprised a bit that Israel doesn't speak up about it but they do tend to be 'covert'.

[bomelia]

Great post Fred!!!!

Can't wait to see the other shoe drop.

At least some in here are maintaining the original intent of the thread.

Mike

(VRM, Evan, nothing personal, but go start your own thread)

[Jamo]

Shhhhhhhh...........!

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Shhhhhhhh...........!

Dang! Just as we were getting into some nice chewy history stuff!
Oh well... back to our regularly scheduled topic (sorry for the hijack Mike ).

I'm not so sure about Iraq having WMD and moving them to Syria. I think that if Hussein had them he would have used them against us in a last ditch effort to make our casualties so high that we would stop in our tracks.

The inspectors were there (before we kicked them out) and they found no evidence of any WMD in Iraq, and they had complete freedom to inspect anything they wanted.

Also, if it was actually Iraqs WMD then the current administration would be shouting it from the rooftops in vindication.

Steve

[rdorman]

Oh, they are there. As for not shouting it from the rooftops, think escalation of commitment and look at the timing of the discovery versus invasion. Also, take a look at who says the movement of stockpiles and technology did not occur and who says it did. Also, the involvement of the UN inspectors from Moscow. Not to mention the interesting involvement from Moscow in the days proceeding and their escalation with Damascus since the fall of Sadam. A 'shot gun wedding' if you will.

Imagine stating that we are invading because of WMD's, finding out as you are set that they are no longer there (almost after the fact) and then saying we are going to invade anyways. All of that happened, except the 'saying' part. Better to ask foregiveness rather then permission? What a tangled web we weave.

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by VRM

Dang! Just as we were getting into some nice chewy history stuff!
Oh well... back to our regularly scheduled topic (sorry for the hijack Mike ).

I'm not so sure about Iraq having WMD and moving them to Syria. I think that if Hussein had them he would have used them against us in a last ditch effort to make our casualties so high that we would stop in our tracks.

The inspectors were there (before we kicked them out) and they found no evidence of any WMD in Iraq, and they had complete freedom to inspect anything they wanted.

Also, if it was actually Iraqs WMD then the current administration would be shouting it from the rooftops in vindication.

Steve

Are you preparing your retractions? How about some humble pie?

Mike

[VRM]

Mike,
The Israel stuff is 100% true (and I didn't even get the part about Dr Ruth being a sniper ). No retractions there.

I would LOVE to be wrong about there being no WMD in Iraq! We look like idiots due to really bad planning, and the fact that nothing has shown up when we were 'certain' that they were there has made things worse. It would help our credibility (and thus our ability to get problems solved) to be able to prove that they are/were there.

No retraction now, but I have no problem making one should I be wrong.

BTW, any arguments I make are not done on an emotional level at all. I don't have an ego that needs to be right, nor does my ego get bruised if I am wrong. In this case, I think I am right based on what I know of the situation, and how the players have acted in the past. There are a couple of scenarios that could have happened that would make me wrong, but I think they are unlikely because it would mean a change in MO for a number of players.

We will see...

[rdorman]

It was known that there where movements in the days before the war. They had the satelite images to show it. The intelligence was probably not all that clear yet as to what was being moved but they could watch as missile installations and other 'sites of interest' where be systematically dismantled. I am not in the position to know secrets, just a 'rumor' I 'heard' VERY early on and with all the evidence that has come to light, the Syrian theory is now not only plausible, but likely.

Moscow thumbed its nose, albeit secretly, at the UN and was looking to cover its tracks.

But not just to Syria did they go. Also Lebanon and Iran. But, only so much we can deal with at a time...... on to the next.

More of current interest. While Iran and Ahmadinejad are putting up a cool and defiant front, I hear that interally, they are all completely freaking out. They are worried to death that the US will invade. They, like Saddam, know that they don't stand a chance in hell. They saw what we did to Sadam's military and his was more 'powerful'. They are pulling their hair out in Tehran.

The media propaganda campaign on both sides is in full swing. Ahmadinejad recent visit was most likely a version of his own trying to 'win the hearts and minds' of Americans by trying to show his 'softer side', trying to show that he is not the monster that western media is portraying. Wanting to visit the Trade Center site to pay his respects, brilliant. If I where them, I would be $hitting bullets too. Large forces of ships in the Caspian Sea and Persian Gulf, air bases all over the place, over 200,000 trained and experienced troops on both flanks... completely surrounded.