This whole Rush thing...

[427 S/O]

Mike, I agree with you and I hope they keep it up. The folks (some) will, at some point realize how sad they really are and dismiss them...

[rattlesnakepete]

It is a great show of character comparing how Rush handles his attacks from the libs compared to Savage. Rush uses his frustrations to motivate him for return fire and Savage throws a temper tantrum like a little boy who did not get his way.

Excellence In Broadcasting!

[VRM]

Originally Posted by bomelia

Name one, and post a link. For that matter, name two since you said "plenty". BTW, a personal relationship with one or any of these will boost your credability here.

Mike

Mike,
General Batiste (Bernies favourite General) had some words to say about it, Brian McGough was compared (by Limbaugh) to a suicide bomber, Wesley Clark was called the 'Mad Bomber of Bosnia' by Limbaugh after Clark had some words for Limbaugh. Jon Soltz is the chairman of Vote Vets (they say they are non-partisan, but so far I only see DNC support) and he and his group were insulted. You've said before that you can't be bothered to read every link I post, so feel free to look them up yourself if you really want. Obviously some very public soldiers were insulted by his comments. You can accuse them of being partisan (I would agree), but there are many other non-public soldiers who can also have partisan feelings one way or the other. I'm sure that a number of soldiers were also insulted by the General Betray Us stunt that Move On pulled.

Personall, I think that they should all grow a thicker skin. I'm from the 'stick and stones' school of thought. Limbaugh has insulted plenty of people with military service. He seems to call everyone who disagrees with him some sort of name. Do you agree with doing that?

My cousin, two guys from work, and a friends son are all busy in Iraq or Afghanistan. 3 of the 4 are against our current policies. At least one of them thinks Limbaugh is an idiot, but I don't know what any of them think about the phony soldiers comment, or about the Move On ad. I probably won't get the chance to find out for a long time.

Steve

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by VRM

Personall, I think that they should all grow a thicker skin. I'm from the 'stick and stones' school of thought. Limbaugh has insulted plenty of people with military service. He seems to call everyone who disagrees with him some sort of name. Do you agree with doing that?

I believe in calling a spade a spade.

Mike

[VRM]

Originally Posted by bomelia

I believe in calling a spade a spade.

Mike

So do you agree with calling General Clark 'the mad bomber of bosnia'?

It's a simple yes or no question.

Steve

[Roscoe]

‘Phony Vets for Truth’ Join Reid Attack on Rush Limbaugh
by Scott Ott · 131 Comments

(2007-10-01) — Just hours after Sen. Harry Reid, D-NV, took the senate floor to call on radio talkshow host Rush Limbaugh to apologize for using the term “phony soldiers” during his Friday broadcast, a newly-formed, grassroots veterans organization endorsed the senate majority leader’s efforts.

Phony Vets for Truth, an non-profit group comprised of ex-military personnel who have publicly and deceptively disparaged the United States, the president or fellow U.S. troops in time of war, applauded “Sen. Reid’s bravery, and his appropriate use of senate debate time to discuss Mr. Limbaugh’s scurrilous remarks.”

In a statement completely independent of the Democrat National Committee, Phony Vets for Truth, a non-partisan think tank, also said: “When private citizens start to believe that they can say whatever they want without being subject to the normal democratic process of selective sound-bite editing, and selective outrage, then it’s time for Congress to take action.”

The group, which has no affiliation with professional Vietnam Veteran Sen. John Kerry, also commended Sen. Tom Harkin, D-IA, for “boldly standing behind the protection of the ‘speech and debate‘ clause of the Constitution to suggest that Mr. Limbaugh was high on drugs.”

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by VRM

So do you agree with calling General Clark 'the mad bomber of bosnia'?

It's a simple yes or no question.

Steve

Yes, I believe Mr Limbaugh has a right to say that.

I think its a rather funny thing to say. Not sure why it is offensive to you.

Now if you want a simple yes or no answer, then you should give me a simple one-three word answer (which you never did) to my infamous question:"If I tell you the truth and you do not believe it, what does that make it"?

Mike

[J. T. Toad]

Steve,
How often are your responses a simple yes or no?

The question is ambiguous and more than likely leading.

It seems you are trying to be like the Sanhedrin and set up a response.

[VRM]

JT,
I try to answer and treat people as I am treated. Mike likes to dodge my questions, even when I do my best to make them non-essay questions.

There is no ambiguity to that question. I just wanted a simple answer.

And (Mike - pay attention here) I would answer my own question in almost exactly the same way. Limbaugh has every right to say what he said. I find nothing about it offensive, but it is sophmoric at best. I always get a good chuckle when he mentions 'Dingy Harry' (cause it is SOOO true!). Yep, it's right up there with fart jokes, but even those can be funny once in a while.

Mike, for your question my answer is: Badly argued.

Steve

[Jamo]

Ahem...is this about Rush anymore?

[HI Cobra]

Rush who?

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

Steve,
How often are your responses a simple yes or no?

The question is ambiguous and more than likely leading.

It seems you are trying to be like the Sanhedrin and set up a response.

Finally!! I have been looking for a way to describe Steves method. Thanks JT!! VRM, badly argued? I did not post an argument.

It seems the thread police are getting annoyed. Oh, and for thread continuity, Rush Limbaugh, the man that (gratefully) runs America.

Mike

[Roscoe]

This goes beyond Rush....and beyond phony soldiers.

The main stream media (MSM) no longer have the power they used to have. People get their news and analysis from the Internet and talk radio.

The fact that left wing radio (Air America, etc) failed and conservative radio has succeeded gives insight into the minds of Americans in general. Talk radio actually lets someone know that there are many others who feel the same way regarding many issues. It is the purist form of communication because it's the voices of the people.

Now the MSM, studies show, favor the Democrats and the left. Even to the point of printing or reporting false stories that attack the other side, the administration or the war on Islamists.

The left would like nothing better than to shut down any talk show host that is critical of them. You see, lefties have no sense of humor. Rush, as one, uses humor to make fools out of them. That makes them go apoplectic, spittle coming out of their mouths, eyes bulging, etc.

The democrats (lefties) think they are rulers. They forget we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights. They couldn't care less about the rights of free speech, unless of course it's some despot.

So don't get snagged by these little issues. The problem is much larger and goes far deeper that just Rush.

Roscoe

[Jamo]

Much better...now THAT is an issue to be discussed.

Air America was supposed to be the latest/greatest...it had some of the top whiners of the left (some even funny now and then), financial support, etc. No excuses...it took a crap.

Fox has surpassed CNN...

Is the REAL America finally waking up?

[J. T. Toad]

REAL America?

I doubt it, as my neighbor was screaming mad at my family when we removed oleanders located on my property yesterday.

There is a 'movie' (I have to put it in quotes, as it really isn't worth the time to watch it) called "Idiocracy." Simply put, a parody of where society is choosing to go.

I am not sure it will ever wake up.

Jamo, I may need a referral for this stupid civil matter. She is so irrational, I will need a professional to handle this 'dispute.'

[VRM]

Originally Posted by bomelia

Finally!! I have been looking for a way to describe Steves method. Thanks JT!! VRM, badly argued? I did not post an argument.

It seems the thread police are getting annoyed. Oh, and for thread continuity, Rush Limbaugh, the man that (gratefully) runs America.

Mike

Mike,
Yep, 'badly argued'. If you tell me something that is true and I do not agree with you, then you have not presented enough valid evidence to convince me.

Roscoe, you have some interesting points.

How do you account for the condemnation of Move On? Don't they have the same level of free speech to malign a General in the same way that Limbaugh maligns Clark?

I do agree that the right usually has more of a sense of humor than the left, but I also frequently see that sense of humour as being mostly the political equivalent of fart jokes.

I hear a lot of talk about how the left tries to shut down discourse in this country (and I agree that they do), but the right does exactly the same thing.

Steve

[Roscoe]

Well first off General Clark is retired. He does not have a dog in this fight. General Petraus is the equivalent of Eisenhower in WWII. I see the difference. and it is not only moveon.org but the House too.

I don't agree with your opinion on conservative humor. The left is like someone who does not really understand the concept of humor and find very few who actually have that sense.

I don't find the right attempting to shut down serious political discourse as the left does, or wishes to.

My opinion of the left is that they are a bunch of neo-Bolsheviks. Hey? did I coin a new word?

Roscoe

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

REAL America?

I doubt it, as my neighbor was screaming mad at my family when we removed oleanders located on my property yesterday.

JT,
Really? What does she have to be mad about? It's your land (until you lose it to emminent domain ).

There was a case a couple of years ago where a guy put a 40 foot tall lighted cross in his yard. His neighbours had a problem with the light being too bright at night. They went to court, and the guy with the cross won.

There is another article I was just reading about where someone put a wind turbine in their back yard, and the neighbours were upset at that because it was in a historical area.

Steve

[chopper]

Originally Posted by VRM

If you tell me something that is true and I do not agree with you, then you have not presented enough valid evidence to convince me. Steve

If he tells you something that is true, and you don't agree, it isn't his responsibility to get you to believe the truth. Your refusal to accept the truth won't change the fact that it's still true.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by chopper

If he tells you something that is true, and you don't agree, it isn't his responsibility to get you to believe the truth. Your refusal to accept the truth won't change the fact that it's still true.

Chopper,
Is the sky blue?