Saddam's WMD Found & Removed

[Ron61]

Steve,

Ron,
There is other evidence as well, but very few people on this forum seem interested in reading it - I have posted it before. Some comes from the UN team sent in before the war, some comes from our own government reports.
There is plenty from the ISG that cites some of these reports, and if somebody wants to slog through it it can be very educational.
However, despite the majority of evidence indicating that Hussein had nothing that would constitute WMD, there is still no way to prove that he did not as you cannot prove a negative.

I am not arguing with you but I have read so much evidence from so many absolutely reliable sources that completely contradicts what each is saying that I am sceptical of any of them reporting the complete truth. I agree that I haven't seen any evidence of WOMDs discovered since we invaded, but given the warning he had and all of the stuff Syria now has, I still believe he shipped a lot of it to them. However I can't prove that and reading a dozen or so absolutely factual reports to me is a useless waste of time. Search long enough and you can find some factual report saying about anything you want. From now on I believe maybe 1/4th of what I read in the reports, less than that in the news media, about 1/3rd of what I hear from reliable sources, and very little of what I see as I figure that can be faked also.

Ron

[NeoConMan]

As a young 'un my Daddy told me;

Don't believe nuthin you hear, and only half of what you see.

After all these years of seeing how the media is jerked back and forth in all the European countries, and used simply as a propaganda machine in the Latin & South American world, I'm amazed that we no longer differ.

The First Amendment has been perverted and sh!t upon by the press, it's not even worth mentioning.

Free press to push an agenda, decrying censorship all the way.
When the events turn, quash it, deny it, discredit it, and hide it.

Yeah, objectivity now resides with the Easter Bunny.



There's no more news, everybody simply goes to their propaganda outlet of choice to get another fix of the same old sh!t.

[nevermind65]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Steve,

Ron,
There is other evidence as well, but very few people on this forum seem interested in reading it - I have posted it before. Some comes from the UN team sent in before the war, some comes from our own government reports.
There is plenty from the ISG that cites some of these reports, and if somebody wants to slog through it it can be very educational.
However, despite the majority of evidence indicating that Hussein had nothing that would constitute WMD, there is still no way to prove that he did not as you cannot prove a negative.

I am not arguing with you but I have read so much evidence from so many absolutely reliable sources that completely contradicts what each is saying that I am sceptical of any of them reporting the complete truth. I agree that I haven't seen any evidence of WOMDs discovered since we invaded, but given the warning he had and all of the stuff Syria now has, I still believe he shipped a lot of it to them. However I can't prove that and reading a dozen or so absolutely factual reports to me is a useless waste of time. Search long enough and you can find some factual report saying about anything you want. From now on I believe maybe 1/4th of what I read in the reports, less than that in the news media, about 1/3rd of what I hear from reliable sources, and very little of what I see as I figure that can be faked also.

Ron

There was a lot of evidence before the war...most of it from people that hated Saddam and wanted him gone. Certain elements in our government took these words as absolutes and used them in justifying our invasion, It was convenient and easy. When reality set in years later, we found much of what these informants said to be half-truths. Nothing was found. Week after week we heard wild-eyed stories of new finds only to find that they were not verified and later turned out to be nothing.

It is obvious Saddam had WMD at one time, but the question remains; Did he have them when we invaded? No. And from the condition of the building and holding sites where the WMD were claimed to have been hidden, nothing had been there for years.

The whole thing was a farce. From Rumsfeld telling us he knew exactly where they were hidden down to the utterly ridiculously small amounts of money Bush told us it was going to take invade Iraq and run the country.

The sooner some of you take off your tinfoil hats, the better off we will all be. Wild-eyed speculation and conspiracy theories got us into the mess in Iraq, and 5 years later, the same nonsense is still being rehashed.

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by nevermind65

Certain elements in our government took these words as absolutes and used them in justifying our invasion

Certain elements?
Name ONE Democrat in the House or Senate who did NOT jump on the bandwagon and speak with the utmost conviction of our responsibility, or mission to disarm Saddam the Madman.

Originally Posted by nevermind65

When reality set in years later, we found much of what these informants said to be half-truths.

Ah yes, with the help of conspiracy-loving internet sleuths the world over, the Democrats suddenly became wise?

Originally Posted by nevermind65

Nothing was found. Week after week we heard wild-eyed stories of new finds only to find that they were not verified and later turned out to be nothing.

Nothing?
Try again.
All those thousands of Kurds died of the flu?
During the Iran/Iraq war we were selling them party favors?

Originally Posted by nevermind65

The sooner some of you take off your tinfoil hats, the better off we will all be. Wild-eyed speculation and conspiracy theories got us into the mess in Iraq, and 5 years later, the same nonsense is still being rehashed.

Who's wearing the tin-foil hat, exactly?
What behavior or claims defying all facts or logic make somebody a tin foil hat guy?

The MoveOn/DailyKos/CNN/MSNBC crowd has that distinction locked up.

[nevermind65]

Originally Posted by NeoConMan

Certain elements?
Name ONE Democrat in the House or Senate who did NOT jump on the bandwagon and speak with the utmost conviction of our responsibility, or mission to disarm Saddam the Madman.




Ah yes, with the help of conspiracy-loving internet sleuths the world over, the Democrats suddenly became wise?




Nothing?
Try again.
All those thousands of Kurds died of the flu?
During the Iran/Iraq war we were selling them party favors?




Who's wearing the tin-foil hat, exactly?
What behavior or claims defying all facts or logic make somebody a tin foil hat guy?

The MoveOn/DailyKos/CNN/MSNBC crowd has that distinction locked up.

As per a typical conservative, one with a differing view is automatically deemed a "liberal". LOL..let partisan hackery thrive in the forum again!

You need to get your time line straightened out a bit. Mixing the killing of thousands of Kurds years earlier and the invasion are not even close. In case you forgot, we had been through 2-3 Presidents since the original gassing, and it was ancient history by 2003. Hell, even Bush didn't use that as an excuse.

As for being an internet sleuth, seems as though that's what most of the information posted on here was derived. Nothing of consequence was found that showed Saddam had renewed his WMD programs.

[NeoConMan]

Originally Posted by nevermind65

As per a typical conservative, one with a differing view is automatically deemed a "liberal".

Real simple here...
Assuming I'm a Conservative would be a safe bet.
Your views differ by your own admission, so Liberal is an easy conclusion.
Sorry if I'm wrong, didn't mean to insult you.