Medical Murder: Why Obamacare - Early Deaths of Millions-Baby Boomers

[cobra de capell]

Imagine lying in some government-run hospital, hospice or nursing home many years from now. Imagine languishing unattended for days in soiled sheets, suffering from hunger and thirst, covered with bed sores, your flesh aboil with untreated infections. Imagine living in fear of resentful, underpaid health aides who take out their anger on you and abuse you. And imagine spending your final moments on earth in the company of a government health care worker with a syringe, who injects you with a lethal cocktail.
President Obama’s health proposals have the potential to turn this nightmare into a reality for millions of Americans.

Especially vulnerable are the 80 million baby boomers born between 1946 and 1964. That generation has been targeted for a program of age-based medical rationing such as our country has never before experienced. [...]

Cutting costs by letting people die

President Obama has promised huge cuts in medical spending -- up to $700 billion, or 30 percent, annually. If we fail to make such cuts, he says, we will face financial Armageddon.

“The cost of our health care is a threat to our economy,” Obama told the American Medical Association in Chicago on June 15. “It is a ticking time bomb for the federal budget.”

A 30-percent annual cut is going to take a big bite out of somebody’s health care. The only question is whose.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
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Aren't most members here Baby Boomers? Kiss your ass goodbye.....

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Imagine lying in some government-run hospital, hospice or nursing home many years from now. Imagine languishing unattended for days in soiled sheets, suffering from hunger and thirst, covered with bed sores, your flesh aboil with untreated infections. Imagine living in fear of resentful, underpaid health aides who take out their anger on you and abuse you. And imagine spending your final moments on earth in the company of a government health care worker with a syringe, who injects you with a lethal cocktail.
President Obama’s health proposals have the potential to turn this nightmare into a reality for millions of Americans.

Especially vulnerable are the 80 million baby boomers born between 1946 and 1964. That generation has been targeted for a program of age-based medical rationing such as our country has never before experienced. [...]

Cutting costs by letting people die

President Obama has promised huge cuts in medical spending -- up to $700 billion, or 30 percent, annually. If we fail to make such cuts, he says, we will face financial Armageddon.

“The cost of our health care is a threat to our economy,” Obama told the American Medical Association in Chicago on June 15. “It is a ticking time bomb for the federal budget.”

A 30-percent annual cut is going to take a big bite out of somebody’s health care. The only question is whose.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
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Aren't most members here Baby Boomers? Kiss your ass goodbye.....

Controlling the purse strings isn't power. Spending money is the power. There won't be any cuts by the tax and spend crowd.

[Silverback51]

Do you really believe this?

[Paul F]

$700B in cuts annually is a good start towards a balanced budget. Old people should have planned for their own health coverage anyway. Poorer health coverage means quicker deaths, which will in turn, will accelerate cost reductions. Sounds like a win-win.

[Ron61]

Paul,

Why not save even more and just make it a law that when you reach 65 you report to an extermination chamber to be removed from society, and I include all of the politicians in that. Then they could use the bodies for food. Remember Soilent Green?

Ron

[Paul F]

It's funny how people complain about government spending until it involves them.

[Cobra #42]

Hell, let's lower the age to 50 for the extermination chamber, that way everyone in Congress will be gased along with me and I want have to pay any more taxes. LOL, db

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by Cobra #42

Hell, let's lower the age to 50 for the extermination chamber, that way everyone in Congress will be gased along with me and I want have to pay any more taxes. LOL, db

That solves the Social Security problem also.

[VRM]

Let's pretend for a minute that World Net Daily actually has a clue and is not some right wing radical nut job blog for tin foil hat types.

So let me get this straight - conservative types want people to be reliant on government for their health care, and government is supposed to provide it even though we cannot afford it?
But then, using the brilliant method of accounting that conservatives like to use - lets also cut everyones taxes so nobody has to pay for health care - we can just borrow it from China.

You have a right to life - you do not have a right to medical care to prolong that life.

Steve

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by VRM

Let's pretend for a minute that World Net Daily actually has a clue and is not some right wing radical nut job blog for tin foil hat types.

So let me get this straight - conservative types want people to be reliant on government for their health care, and government is supposed to provide it even though we cannot afford it?
But then, using the brilliant method of accounting that conservatives like to use - lets also cut everyones taxes so nobody has to pay for health care - we can just borrow it from China.

You have a right to life - you do not have a right to medical care to prolong that life.

Steve

Let's pretend for a moment that you have a clue.

You seem left of Obama in so many ways. The spinning is obvious.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Let's pretend for a moment that you have a clue.

You seem left of Obama in so many ways. The spinning is obvious.

I have no interest in paying to extend your life. You really should take care of that yourself instead of whining that all of you baby boomers are going to kiss your ass goodbye because the government is not going to pay for you.
If advocating self-reliance is left of Obama, then so be it.

And why do your comebacks always seem so stale and unimaginative? It's almost like they come from the 'GOP Guidebook for Winning an Argument'.

Steve

[Bobcat]

VRM/Steve ... " conservative types want people to be reliant on government for their health care, and government is supposed to provide it even though we cannot afford it? "
I`m about as conservative/libertarian as you can get ... and if the government would give me back the money I and my employers have paid into the system over the years , with a nominal rate of interest for the use ( miss use ? ) of my money , I`ll gladly walk away from any and all government programs and take care of myself .
Could it be that the reason we can`t afford .................( you fill in the blank ) is because of massive government corruption , mismanagement on every program they touch , incompetence and all the freeloaders/looters on the programs who refuse to support themselves ?
You are correct in as much as we have a right to life and the pursuit of happiness ... but it is my responsibility to take care of myself... and if I can afford it , any medical care I want/need . But the problem is that the government will make that option unavailable period.

[cobra de capell]

WOW, surprising support here for Obama's health reform plan!

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

WOW, surprising support here for Obama's health reform plan!

Well before this thread is locked down, I have to state that I do not support the health reform plan. But then neither do I believe the future as it was outlined in the original post.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

Well before this thread is locked down, I have to state that I do not support the health reform plan. But then neither do I believe the future as it was outlined in the original post.

I agree.

It seems that the nature of politics these days is to take the viewpoint you don't agree with, develop the worst possible scenario to apply it to, and then exaggerate the results.
It results in a bunch of chicken littles running around (from either party) squawking about how the sky will fall if a certain thing happens. And then people trust that squawking because they have no viewpoint of their own.

Steve

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

Well before this thread is locked down, I have to state that I do not support the health reform plan. But then neither do I believe the future as it was outlined in the original post.

Here's some unbiased input from the Washington Post (Charles Lane) - far from a right-wing newspaper.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1

Lane argues that the "consultations" provided for in Section 1233, while not mandatory, are not "purely voluntary" either as the Democrats have claimed. Thus, he writes "Section 1233 lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that's an incentive to insist."

As Lane notes, common sense tells us that Section 1233 would place senior citizens in a situation where they will feel pressured to sign end-of-life directives that they would not otherwise sign. The federal government should not be in the business of skewing end-of-life counseling, and thus end-of-life decisions. Lane concludes:

Ideally, the delicate decisions about how to manage life's end would be made in a setting that is neutral in both appearance and fact. Yes, it's good to have a doctor's perspective but section 1233 goes beyond facilitating it to preferring it. Indeed, the measure would have an interested party -- the government -- recruit doctors to sell the elderly on living wills, hospice care, and their associated providers, professions and organizations. You don't have to be a right-wing wacko to question that.

[BeanCounter]

I say let's expand the insurance benefits for everyone............

Birth Control Pills and Cigarettes for all !!!

[map]

The Chairman should just open a new Aucshwitz since were all Natzis!

[Alex Donghi]

The Perfect Solution to Senior Health Care

While discussing the upcoming Universal Health Care Program with my sister-in-law the other day, I think we have found the solution. I am sure you have heard the ideas that if you're a senior you need to suck it up and give up the idea that you need any health care. A new hip? Unheard of. We simply can't afford to take care of you anymore. You don't need any medications for your high blood pressure, diabetes, heart problems, etc.

Let’s take care of the young people. After all, they will be ruling the world very soon.

So here is the solution.. When you turn 70, you get a gun and 4 bullets. You are allowed to shoot 2 senators and 2 representatives. Of course, you will be sent to prison where you will get 3 meals a day, a roof over your head and all the health care you need! New teeth, great! Need glasses, no problem. New hip, knee, kidney,lung, heart? Well bring it on. And who will be paying for all of this? The same government that just told you that you are too old for health care. And, since you are a prisoner, you don't have to pay any income tax.

I really think we have found a Perfect Solution!