Vick vs Stallworthless

[Ronbo]

Originally Posted by fsstnotch

Ronbo, as a person whom has had a DUI. I disagree with you. Knowingly driving after drinking should be considered intent. Not to mention I believe the police report also mentioned the odor of Marijuana from Stallworths car and person.


BTW, Vick signs with teh EAGLES!!!

Then by your own admission you are an attempted murderer. (doesn't matter wether you actually killed someone, you could have).

Sorry, I don't buy it... MADD wouldn't have a problem with it though.

[fsstnotch]

ya... i learned....

Maybe the 2 of you can explain to this guys 15 yr old daughter about how her Dad won't see her graduate, go to prom, get married, have a baby, etc etc etc, because a man killed him with his car while nearly twice the legal limit (.13). But I guess it's ok because he feels bad about it and he honked his horn and flashed his lights before hitting him with the passenger side of the car.....

An everyday citizen could have served the same time just for teh DUI, let alone the Manslaugter charge that carries a max of 15yrs.

BTW, Bentley GT 60-0 is 118ft. He had time to flash his lights and honk but not slow down.... This arrogant rich guy was pissed that someone was in the road. He slowed but not enough and meant to just scare the man. The alcohol inhibited that and he hit the man.

[Cobrabill]

[quote=fsstnotch;
1)His "intent" was to drive DRUNK. Knowing the consequences is simple.... well... apparently for some.

2)And I guess when you were young you just wanted to be like nobody when you grew up...[/QUOTE]

1)So you were with him that night?Obviously,you must have been since you know his "intentions".If he was "under the influence"he CAN NOT FORM INTENT.What part of this don't you get?

2)Wrong-my dad.

[Ronbo]

It's a tough thing to wrap your head around, no doubt. But let me ask you: a person who also drove home with a .13 and didn't cause a death...

Just as guilty or not? The law says no, but this now brings luck into the mix. I don't recall any laws regarding luck. (except maybe in Vegas)

Also should celebrity status matter? I would say no but we both know that's not the case. Should a Policeman or a Judge be held to a higher standard? ( a different matter but it would seem to be part of your logic here)

There's a reason we have "attempted" crimes - INTENT.

If someone dies because you F****ed up, wether it be alchohol, yacking on your cell phone, not getting that brake job, picking your nose, or hundreds of other causes. The punishment has to fit the intent no matter how bad things turned out. If your an Azzhole, the Judge can deal with that as well.

[Ronbo]

Oh, if you don't like the NFL's decision. Don't buy their stuff or go to the games. Or, God forbid, write them a letter. They will only care when the coffers are empty.

If you keep chomping down the crap their serving...

It's your resposibility to teach your children what a hero really is and to teach them that these two fellows are not.

[Cobrabill]

[quote=Ronbo;If someone dies because you F****ed up, wether it be alchohol, yacking on your cell phone, not getting that brake job, picking your nose, or hundreds of other causes. The punishment has to fit the intent no matter how bad things turned out.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.That's why there is:

Manslaughter
negligent manslaughter
Murder 1
Murder 2

Intent is already figured in.I want you or anyone to convince any jury on the planet that since"he" was picking his nose,his intent was to run down a jaywalker.

[Ronbo]

Try to keep in step Bill... I think we're on the same page already.

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Who said he was drunk?And don't give me the bullsh!t line that .08 makes you drunk.Again,you can't prove intent.And to suggest that someone who gets bagged by the MADD driven sytem has intent is beyond lunacy.Not to mention goes against legal defintions & logic.

He was .12. That's pretty damn intoxicated.

[bomelia]

Methinks spaceBill likes to drive drunk. Dam the consequences. Driving drunk should be a right.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by bomelia

He was .12. That's pretty damn intoxicated.

You would be correct.

[Ronbo]

Originally Posted by bomelia

Methinks spaceBill likes to drive drunk. Dam the consequences. Driving drunk should be a right.

SpaceBill didn't post in this thread, yet.

There's a basic flaw with the "automatic" fault being given to the DUI driver because "the driver was impaired from avoiding the accident". It may or may not have been a factor. Most states have some type of "failure to avoid" law but it's, by nature, difficult to prove.

I do not agree with the idea that one fault negates another. Jaywalking is dangerous at best, if not suicidal. Again we're delving into "intent", perhaps the guy was suicidal. Since a DUI was involved I'd bet this was never even looked into.

Never know, wierder stuff has happened...

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by fsstnotch

SP... so by your statement you seem to agree with the ruling. Vehicular Homicide 24 days, racketeering 2yrs.... talk about the morals of our country.

Terry, I completely agree. In the south this stuff is just a daily thing. people have gotten off with probabtion for the same thing vick did. Vick served 2 years more than 90% of others convicted of similar crimes.

As someone that has rescued Pits since 1987 I know a little about dog fighting (there are some books out there written by people that have fought dogs if interested). There is a lot more to the sport than just throwing dogs in the pit. The training techniques are brutal.Anybody that cares at all about dogs would be shocked. I don't compare the two incidents above (everbody else seems to like to do that though even though are completely different). I take the Vick situation by itself and IMO he is getting off easy by going back to the NFL to make millions. In my career I would have never been alowed back. My.02