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[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

Seems reasonable to me that it might take some time to establish the process and controls to process some 500,000 transactions and issue payments to thousands of dealers....the unceasing cheap shots at Obama in here makes me think that hate and bigotry is playing a large role . I don't happen to be a Bleeding Heart. Like most Americans I am right of center and believe in small and efficient gov...balanced budgets....priority spending...no earmarks... market solutions...personal responsibility...states rights...and yes the right to bear arms...but after 50 years of voting Republican I found myself in a party of jesus freaks, gun nuts and a variety of bigots. I don't agree with President Obama's policies...his budget...the stimulus...tarp... universal health Insurance... the Cash for Clunkers....but neither do I think he is evil incarnate ... that he is not a citizen...or that he is a Nazi/Fascist/Commi pinko islamist terrorist. If you are getting your opinions from Faux or talk radio I would suspect you lack critical thinking skills. Even OReilly opined that if you cannot find one ...not one.. good thing to say about Obama you are not credible . I think he is a brilliant, articulate, earnest, well intentioned young man that has a very different view of the role of government than I do.. and that he deserves to be treated fairly just as Bush did..my two cents..

Absolutely ridiculous to say people are motivated by hate and are bigots.If you truly believe in the principles you listed you should understand the opposition to his agenda. Then your characterization of the Republicans, betrays your self styled assessment of being right of center. It is evident from the emotional name calling and labeling you employ in one sentence then condemn it in the next.
Right of center is a subjective term, and for you to say Bush was treated fairly and and that Obama isn't would lead me to the opinion that you are maybe a little left of center, well to be more exact left of Harry Reid
I could care less of how well intentioned he is when he drops the ball like he has on this program. He repeatedly has said we cant delay in passing any of his legislation/programs they are too important for the survival of the universe.Now we have small business suffering with cash flow problems, because this administration cant get their act together.Exactly what a majority of the people believe will happen with health care if the government gets involved, but then we are dealing with peoples lives not cars.
Your touchy feely defense of Obama is certainly not critical thinking. It is though just how many on the left think. Feeling before thinking.My God he is leader of the free world this is not supposed to be on the job training.

[Excaliber]

...emotional name calling and labeling...

Nah, that couldn't possibly be a problem here in the Lounge!

Celby, as I understand the YEAR MODELS chosen for the program it was those that had verifiable EPA mpg ratings. Which I guess started somewhere around 1985.

[Roscoe]

If I recall correctly, the C4C program assured dealers they would be paid in 30 days.

Roscoe

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Nah, that couldn't possibly be a problem here in the Lounge!

Celby, as I understand the YEAR MODELS chosen for the program it was those that had verifiable EPA mpg ratings. Which I guess started somewhere around 1985.

That would be reasonable if the EPA ratings were anything you could rely on. They are just as political as anything else. We used to have a Ford Focus with EPA rating of 32MPG HWY. I still have my 03 Mustang GT with lower gears, exhaust, chip reprogram and intake change that was originally rated at 22 MPG HWY. Problem is I got 26 MPG HWY in the Focus and the GT with it's mods gets 26MPG HWY. Those numbers are real calculations with me driving.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

Absolutely ridiculous to say people are motivated by hate and are bigots.If you truly believe in the principles you listed you should understand the opposition to his agenda. Then your characterization of the Republicans, betrays your self styled assessment of being right of center. It is evident from the emotional name calling and labeling you employ in one sentence then condemn it in the next.
Right of center is a subjective term, and for you to say Bush was treated fairly and and that Obama isn't would lead me to the opinion that you are maybe a little left of center, well to be more exact left of Harry Reid
I could care less of how well intentioned he is when he drops the ball like he has on this program. He repeatedly has said we cant delay in passing any of his legislation/programs they are too important for the survival of the universe.Now we have small business suffering with cash flow problems, because this administration cant get their act together.Exactly what a majority of the people believe will happen with health care if the government gets involved, but then we are dealing with peoples lives not cars.
Your touchy feely defense of Obama is certainly not critical thinking. It is though just how many on the left think. Feeling before thinking.My God he is leader of the free world this is not supposed to be on the job training.

Yo Momma...let me ...see...yes I believe SOME people motivated by hate and are bigots....I believe Bush was treated UNFAIRLY.. not only by the left ....I think the conservative movement is very much alive and well and represents the character of the American people....the Republican Party has lost it's way and is full of nutcakes..again, I DON"T believe the Gov can or should run a universal health care program, neither do I believe there will be a bill to that effect ... I don't see anything " touchey or feely " about my discription of Obama, but I could add that he and his family are charming and very attractive, how is that ? Warm and Fuzzy... I have NO respect for Harry Ried or his policies ... I believe the Leader of the Free World is very much learning on the Job (most do).... I also believe that that you need to read more carefully.....I also believe you owe me a apology for misquoting my post.... believe me, I could care less about what you think of my political views but I don't appreciate you implying that I am a liar.... If you want to meet half way and resolve this, let me know .....but for now, have a nice day..

[RAZOR]

Where do you feel I called you a liar or misquoted you? You are an emotional one! I said some things were subjective, or characterized in a certain way but I didn't call you a liar.

[Dan40]

CHEAP SHOTS?

Foreign policy, he travels to multiple countries for multiple purposes. Apologizing all the way. That has never been done before by an American President. Had it worked it might have been called "brilliant!" It didn't. All mouth promises of greater cooperation and understanding. Then Iran fires missles like its their Forth of July, and N Korea does the same. China plays NASCAR 'rubbin' n 'bumpin' with out subs, Russia sends an additional 60,000 troops into Georgia, and COINCIDENTALLY shows a nuke sub off OUR Georgia.
Is it a cheap shot to say that those are ALL provocations, Proving that his Apology Tours were naive and STUPID!

Further foreign relations, he made us look like a nation of dumb asses in not one, but 2 gift exchanges with our best ally.
Did this amateur gang check with ANYONE on the protocol of these exchanges?

Promises and reality,
The promises, No lobbyists, no corruption, total transparency, total accountability. The reality, lobbyists running rampant in every Gov. dept. Corruption obvious to all but those with heads deeply in the sand, bankruptcy laws discarded like yesterday's newspaper and the Constitution with it.. NO transparency at all, everything a back room $DEAL. Accountability, sure, what lie would you like them to tell you?
Want them to tell you about the Health Care CRISIS? A crisis over a QUARTER OF A CENTURY OLD, is NOT a crisis.
The financial meltdown was/IS a crisis, CAUSED by politicians of both parties, not Obama. It remains a crisis, nothing has changed the crisis but now financial companies are hoarding our money.

Real Estate crisis continues unabated. Bad loans to uncreditworthy buyers does not have a solution except massive losses of money, evictions, and a do over without emotional loans. Existing home sales rose 5% last month, YEA!!, Small footnote, prices dropped another 15%. 2 sides on that coin.

Stimulus plan a joke if it was not a pork party. That was another CRISIS lie. Had to be passed WITHOUT being read, then didn't have to be signed for 3 days after being passed. How obvious does the BS have to be for you to see it. And months after the conjured crisis only 15% of the money for "Shovel ready" projects has been spent. The BS Shovel. Wonder if the C4C checks will get paid with the same snailish velocity?

Now the Health Care CRISIS [the same crisis that was OLD when Clinton UNSUCCESSFULLY attacked it 16 years ago]
It is a problem needing some fixing, was then, is now. It is not a Health Care CRISIS, scratch that, A lack of coverage crisis, scratch that, a hospital, doctor overcharge crisis, scratch that, an unaccounted insurance company crisis. ALL LIES! The latest lie about insurance is the most desperate. Politicians have deeply regulated EVERYTHING about insurance companies for all my life. If insurance companies are bad, politicians made them bad. as they did banks, and the real estate market.

Government run health care, we KNOW all about it, but refuse to look at our own knowledge.
We have Medicare, we have Medicaid, and we have VA. Care is fine under all those programs. But all are bankrupt. obummer says we will save BILLIONS for universal health care by eliminating fraud and waste in Medicare and Medicaid.
Ahhh,,,,,,,,,,shouldn't we be doing that no matter what health care bill is or is not under consideration? A rookie statement by the administration. VA, good care, broke, and the essence of rationing. I'm a vet, have no combat wounds in need of treatment, If I ever do, I can have treatment, but for now, I make too much money for the VA to cover me at all. And I am NOT rich!
Medicare and Medicaid, 2 separate and distinct programs, but care is good in both. Why? Because they have the support system provided by the entire PRIVATE HEALTH CARE system we have. Take away the private health care system and Medicare, Medicaid, the VA AND Universal Health Care would all collapse.
Canada gets a lot of mention, pro and con. There can be NO question that many Canadians come here to avoid long waits there with their Government run system. The entire population of Canada is 33 million. Medicare alone covers 45 million Americans. And its broke and has the private system shoring it up.
A wise and EXPERIENCED executive would look into the health care delivery system and identify and prioritize its failings.
And then fix them one at a time as FUNDING becomes available. It is idiocy and arrogance to scrap a system that preforms as well as ours no matter what its cost and FEW failings.

And most often it is the racist that FIRST plays the 'hate and bigotry' card. obummer is not bad because of his color, he is bad because he is a ventriloquist's dummy.

Something good to say. When he has a practiced and prepared speech and a teleprompter, his delivery is terrific.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

Where do you feel I called you a liar or misquoted you? You are an emotional one! I said some things were subjective, or characterized in a certain way but I didn't call you a liar.

You are probably right, I have a short fuse and I will be on probation for another 6 years so If I kill one of you SOB's I'm screwed...so I am willing to back this down....lets just agree to ignore each other and play in opposite ends of the sandbox.....

[SP01715]

I watched a special the other day where they were talking to dealers and they outlined the program. The program states that dealers will receive payment within 10 days. The dealers on the show were not happy with the program. BTW, Obama has added to the mess quite a bit IMO.

[trularin]

People won't pay a dime for sh!t, but will pay handsomely for fertilizer.