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Default Cobra Tool Kit - redux

Opening a new thread about the tool kits that were originally supplied with the Cobras.

What we know:
Hammer: Thor #2 with copper and rawhide faces. Readily available new.

Jack: Shelley LJ22 rarely on e-bay and expensive. Exact same jack, the Shelley 12DL (earlier version which my have been supplied on early cars) often come up on e-bay and are reasonably priced. Handles ae rarely seen on e-bay but I think I've found a source(pending).

Screwdriver: Very rare but I think I'e found one and will share all info once I get it and confirm it's the right one.

Pliers: Shelley or look alike King Dick seem to be often available on e-bay.

Grease gun: Teclamite GB 2800 often available on e-bay and I've posted a link to the definitive "grease gun website" before.

Now the harder stuff:
Spanners: What sizes? What make? In previous pics posted you can make out "Chrome Vanadium" on one side of the wrench but can't see manufacturer's name or sizes.

Brake bleeder tool: seems to be a short piece (of the appropriately sized) box wrench welded to a piece of bar stock (handle). A crude drawing attached from the AC Owners Forum.

Tool roll or bag: Would have to be custom made to match the pics previously posted.


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Aren't the spanners Elora, from Germany?
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Cobra/427 Cobra brake bleeder used was made for AC Cars custom (per a person that use to be there); wrench socket is hex. Years ago I did a CAD drawing and a run was made by an original Cobra owner so some modern made ones are out there somewhere.
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Cobra/427 Cobra brake bleeder used was made for AC Cars custom (per a person that use to be there); wrench socket is hex. Years ago I did a CAD drawing and a run was made by an original Cobra owner so some modern made ones are out there somewhere.
+1, bleeder screws are hex not square, at least on Girling calipers
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Screwdriver: Very rare but I think I'e found one and will share all info once I get it and confirm it's the right one. Is a Red wooden handled BDS. One of the members here is working on reproductions.

Pliers: Shelley or look alike King Dick seem to be often available on e-bay.
Pliers are also BDS per the screwdriver.

Grease gun: Teclamite GB 2800 often available on e-bay and I've posted a link to the definitive "grease gun website" before.
Lets please spell it correctly so it's not like a Snellings and Hellthing.
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Now the harder stuff:
Spanners: What sizes? What make? In previous pics posted you can make out "Chrome Vanadium" on one side of the wrench but can't see manufacturer's name or sizes.
Spanners are Elora 100's BSW. I'll have to look up the sizes. I have a question on them if anyone here knows. Is it a bullet shaped emboss or a parallelogram that is era and Cobra specific or is either correct? I should get some close up pics.

Brake bleeder tool: seems to be a short piece (of the appropriately sized) box wrench welded to a piece of bar stock (handle). A crude drawing attached from the AC Owners Forum.
Some try and fob off the Dunlop tee shaped one as being correct, we know better cos of forums like this.

Tool roll or bag: Would have to be custom made to match the pics previously posted.
Coarse grain black vinyl universal tool kit pouch used in many cars of the era.
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Thanks guys. We're here to learn.

What was the selection of wrench sizes?

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What was the selection of wrench sizes?

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You understand that they were British Standard sizes and would not fit replicas, right?
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Hi Mickmate. The Elora 100 wrenches shown in previous threads (CSX 3360 tool kit and a 289 tool kit) appear (using a magnifying glass - real high tech) to have both the "Chrome-Vanadium" and the "Elora 100 Made in Germany" in parrallelograms.

Looking at Elora wrenches on line, the more modern ones appear to have the bullet/spear shaped emboss.

Just old eyes looking at pics though.

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Hi A-snake. I'd be interested in an original looking tools/tool bag/jack/grease gun for car shows though. Regular tool kit for travelling.

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My opening to this thread showed a crude drawing from the AC Owners Forum that was infact a brake adjusting tool. The pic I showed is the brake bleedingtool from a pic of a 289 Cobra tool kit.

A cad drawing of that tool would be great Dan Case, if you would be willing to reserect it.

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My opening to this thread showed a crude drawing from the AC Owners Forum that was infact a brake adjusting tool. The pic I showed is the brake bleedingtool from a pic of a 289 Cobra tool kit.

A cad drawing of that tool would be great Dan Case, if you would be willing to reserect it.

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Maybe Nick would make some? They are like the one shown above except with a longer socket and a hex to fit a standard brake bleeder hex.
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Hey guys,
Ran across these while poking around on the internet. Keep in mind, this is from CSX2384 but some good info just the same. Just not sure how the 427 differs. The tool kit is described as original and complete.
Dan, sounds like you are familiar with this car.
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One of the grease gun. There was no photo's of the screwdriver but I think we've got that one covered.
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While not actually part of the tool kit, I thought this was really cool! It's the original key fob that came with the car.
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Ran across these while poking around on the internet. Keep in mind, this is from CSX2384 but some good info just the same. Dan, sounds like you are familiar with this car.
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I am familiar with it. It is the highest original content (parts and finishes - it was completed with and sent out the factory door with) late Cobra that I am aware of. It isn't 100% complete as the day finished (tires long gone for example) but it is incredibly preserved and intact. It stayed in carefully thought out purposeful and well executed dry storage by the original owner for decades. It was shown in a preservation class at Pebble Beach this past summer.

Quite a few Cobras have come out of decades of hiding. Forget the original content part for a moment. There is a tremendous difference in what happens to materials (paint, platings, mechanical seals, leather, rubber, etcetera) between parking a car in a detached shed with maybe a dirt or gravel floor and left for decades perhaps even to become a shelf for things leaning against it on sitting on top of it and making a plan to preserve a car and protecting it in a clean dry location and tending it occasionally.

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I'll add a few tips from my "research". Like Dan, I'm an engineer and enjoy this stuff...

BDS was the house brand for Bert Draper & Sons until the mid 60's and the company still sells tools under the Draper name. I found original BDS/Draper catalogs from 1963 and 1966 so these bracket our Cobra years. The catalogs also show Elora wrenches of all types so you could almost buy a Cobra tool kit from them. If we had a time machine...

VintageToolUK has original BDS pliers for about 80 pounds.

The Thor Hammer looks just like the current versions, but has an old patent number cast into the head label. 50130. These show up on eBay, they are also correct for earlier Jaguars and probably many other knockoff equipped British cars.

The 1963 Draper catalog shows the correct red/ bare wood flutes screwdriver. The description says "made in Italy" but the screwdriver itself only has a BDS sticker for identity. My original sticker was in rough shape, but I found a different BDS screwdriver with a perfect sticker and have been slowly getting around to reproducing it. I've given samples to severel Cobra owners on the forum, I normally get around to working on projects like this during Winter here in Michigan. Very similar screwdrivers without stickers show up on eBay or at Beaulieu swapmeet.

My Elora spanners are shiny, like the photos posted here. You can find old Elora spanners, pre "West Germany", but most are dull plating. Of course that is easily fixed. My spanners and most original sets I've seen have a steel clip that holds them together.

Tom Buckus from Pennsylvania deals in old British tools. He had a "correct" jack at Hershey this year with the correct cradle top but the body had the older incorrect casting number. $325. He had some correct handles too.

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Excellent info Dave!
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About the grease gun shown. Didn't the 427's come with the grease gun that had the flutted end?

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